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Ok, I give. I will play! My best 100 yard 5 shot group this summer with the creed was under 4.75 " diameter from outside of shafts to outside of shafts. I said my best this summer at 100 yds. Last summer with the Heli M I shot a 5 shot group slightly under 4". My average 5 shot group at 100yds is probably 7 to 10". Bad shot groups get out to 15"". I shoot 60 to 100yds for practice. Shooting above 80yds with out optics makes you really focus on the shot and makes you execute your shot. .010 pin covers a pie plate easily at 100yds. At 100yds you can call your shot as soon as you release and before the arrow hits the target. I still do a few things with a TV show that has a few of the Pro Mathews 3D. One is a 3D legend and he told me that shooting long range is the only way you are going to get better as it is more mental than physical.. I used to never shot past 40yds and now 100yds is problem and puts my confidence is right up there. So
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