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  • January 4, 2013 at 5:49 pm #545969 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
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    … – GIVE ME THE GOOD STUFF THE PRO’S SHOOT.

    Typical beginner misconception. [=}=]

    First, most Pros that shoot a HeliM only hunt with it, and many of them are Pros in the Media not the archery competitive circuit, most of the competitive Pros make their money and maintain their ranking on the circuit shooting one of the Conquest (Indoor, NFAA, ASA 3D, IBO 3D) or MR series bows (IBO 3D). They change to the new Flagship hunting bow every year and soon most of them will be listing the Creed in their bio. Check out their biographies.
    http://mathewsinc.com/prostaff/mathews- … ?bow=helim

    For bowhunting, where the average shot is 35 yds or under at a pie-plate sized target, it really doesn’t matter what one shoots as long as they shoot moderately well. Both top of the line and mid-tier equipment put meat in the freezer and trophies on the wall equally well.

    Since money seems to be less of a problem than wanting Pro-level precision shooting equipment (no pun intended), there is no point in further crying over spilt milk. Clean up your mess as best you can, then get a Conquest or MR-Series bow … you’ll also need to purchase Pro-level arrows ($200+), Pro-level sights ($350+), Pro-level rest ($150 – $200), Pro-level stabilizer ($250), and Pro-level release aid ($200) to go with the Pro-level bow. Otherwise, it would be like buying a top of the line amplifier then hooking it up to cheap speakers … it will never sound better than the speakers.

    If it is equipment advise you want, this forum is an excellent place to get it before buying. :thumbup

    January 4, 2013 at 5:59 pm #545970 Back to Top REPORT
    jeffgothro
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    … – GIVE ME THE GOOD STUFF THE PRO’S SHOOT.

    Typical beginner misconception. [=}=]

    First, most Pros that shoot a HeliM only hunt with it,[/quote:1m4mctfl]

    Thats my point, I want the hunters “pro” grade bow, or the bow the pro’s hunt with – whatever that other stuff your talking about I dont know anything about.

    January 4, 2013 at 6:05 pm #545971 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
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    Then you’ll forever be chasing your tail and always feeling there is a better Pro-hunting bow out there. The Flagship hunting bows change from year to year…a couple of years ago, all the Pros were shooting the Z7 or Z7 Extreme, and before that the Drenalin or DXT, and before that it was the Switchback or Switchback XT.

    This year its a toss up between the Creed and Chill. HeliM was last years “Pro Choice”. [=}=]

    If your DL is 29″ or shorter, I would highly recommend the Conquest Prestige. If your DL is longer than 29″, I’d recommend the Apex 7. The Prestige is 332 fps IBO equivalent speed, a time proven design, and arguably one of the best all around bow Mathews has ever produced, and is a top choice of Pro shooters.

    This is my 60#/28.5″ Prestige setup for Elk Hunting.

    This is the same bow setup for target/3D.

    January 4, 2013 at 6:15 pm #545972 Back to Top REPORT
    jeffgothro
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    Then you’ll forever be chasing your tail and always feeling there is a better Pro-hunting bow out there. The Flagship hunting bows change from year to year…a couple of years ago, all the Pros were shooting the Z7 or Z7 Extreme, and before that the Drenalin or DXT, and before that it was the Switchback or Switchback XT.

    This year its a toss up between the Creed and Chill. HeliM was last years “Pro Choice”. [=}=][/quote:u7pq9kwy]

    Mabie, mabie not – I currently own a 1997 titanium G.T. mountain bike, its worth about 4,000$ when new. There are a lot of really good NEW bikes out there, and I’ve ridden a few. Nonetheless, I wouldnt trade, sell, or ride another bike if you paid me, I love my vintage G.T.’s (yes, I actually own several) and thats all I’m ever going to ride, not interested in any NEW bikes.

    January 4, 2013 at 6:19 pm #545973 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
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    Then the Conquest Prestige or Apex 7, depending on your DL, is what you are looking for. :thumbup

    Many feel the Switchback/S2 or SBXT is the bow they’d never give up, but you won’t find Pro Staff shooters admitting that openly. [=}=]

    January 4, 2013 at 7:03 pm #545974 Back to Top REPORT
    jeffgothro
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    Not sure why your bringing up DL? My issue is DW – in any case, the problem has been adressed and solved, Mathews is going to hook me up with lighter limbs and I’m going to continue to shoot my Helim.
    January 4, 2013 at 7:14 pm #545975 Back to Top REPORT

    boilerfarmer12

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    Hmmmm…Creed – that bow was named after me, well, not really, but my mothers mother (my grandma) last name was CREED before she married my grampa.

    Gonna see if Mathews will help me out on this, or work some kind of deal out – I’ed really like to keep the Helim if possible.[/quote:2ocy8xg7]

    … are you being serious?

    January 4, 2013 at 7:20 pm #545976 Back to Top REPORT

    boilerfarmer12

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    There are a ton of deer killed every year with what by your definition are “walmart quality” bows. That sight you are talking about. Whats wrong with it? It will help you kill a deer. Do you think the deer care that it is plastic? This is the kind of attitude that labels Mathews shooters as “cocky and arrogant”. And bikes and bows are different. You can take any bow on the market and kill a deer. I agree you cant take a bike from walmart to the tour de france and win.

    I hate to say it but the reason so many “pros” shoot Mathews is because they have a contract or deal with. Not saying its bad but many would drop their mathews in a heartbeat to get more money. Not all but most.

    Sorry, had to say it. i mean no offense but come on.

    January 4, 2013 at 8:21 pm #545977 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
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    Not sure why your bringing up DL? … Mathews is going to hook me up with lighter limbs and I’m going to continue to shoot my Helim.

    Good on Mathews =D/>” title=”Applause” />  <img src=

    January 4, 2013 at 9:10 pm #545978 Back to Top REPORT
    jeffgothro
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    There are a ton of deer killed every year with what by your definition are “walmart quality” bows. That sight you are talking about. Whats wrong with it? It will help you kill a deer. Do you think the deer care that it is plastic? This is the kind of attitude that labels Mathews shooters as “cocky and arrogant”. And bikes and bows are different. You can take any bow on the market and kill a deer. I agree you cant take a bike from walmart to the tour de france and win.

    I hate to say it but the reason so many “pros” shoot Mathews is because they have a contract or deal with. Not saying its bad but many would drop their mathews in a heartbeat to get more money. Not all but most.

    Sorry, had to say it. i mean no offense but come on.[/quote:2gb1hmow]

    Yes, I’m VERY serious, true story, my familys (on my moms side) is named CREED.

    C’mon now….I have to call you out, I woudnt go hunting with the bow linked to below or any number of bows I found on the walmart site. Its junk IMHO.

    http://www.walmart.com/ip/Bear-Archery- … k/14047684

    Your right, the dear isnt going to know, but I do – and I wont have it. This is why, bikes bike parts and bows and bow parts are the same in many ways – more then you realize. Lets take pedals for example, I can buy the cheap 15.00$ plastic pedal, and probably destroy it the first time I take a nasty spill, and you can forget stunts, plastic pedals just desinigrate under hard use, I’ed get two weeks mabie a month out of them before I would have to replace them. Or, I can buy the super sweet machined aluminum sealed bearing pedals for 100.00-150.00$. I’ve owned many many pairs of the latter pedals mentioned, I’ve jumed them, crashed them, etc…and they LAST, I dont have to worry about them, I’ve gotten 2-3 years out of a sweet set of pedals. Now do you see the difference, now do you understand why I want the best? Its not because I’m some big-headed elitist, I buy the more expensive bow parts because you get what you pay for, aned this attitude philosophy comes from nearly 38 years in the bicycle biz…if I’m going to make bow hunting a new hobby, why should I settle for second best or cheap stuff?

    January 4, 2013 at 9:12 pm #545979 Back to Top REPORT
    l-o-s-t-arrow
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    January 5, 2013 at 2:57 am #545980 Back to Top REPORT
    99fatboy
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    There are a ton of deer killed every year with what by your definition are “walmart quality” bows. That sight you are talking about. Whats wrong with it? It will help you kill a deer. Do you think the deer care that it is plastic? This is the kind of attitude that labels Mathews shooters as “cocky and arrogant”. And bikes and bows are different. You can take any bow on the market and kill a deer. I agree you cant take a bike from walmart to the tour de france and win.

    I hate to say it but the reason so many “pros” shoot Mathews is because they have a contract or deal with. Not saying its bad but many would drop their mathews in a heartbeat to get more money. Not all but most.

    Sorry, had to say it. i mean no offense but come on.[/quote:ejyydfen]

    Yes, I’m VERY serious, true story, my familys (on my moms side) is named CREED.

    C’mon now….I have to call you out, I woudnt go hunting with the bow linked to below or any number of bows I found on the walmart site. Its junk IMHO.

    http://www.walmart.com/ip/Bear-Archery- … k/14047684

    Your right, the dear isnt going to know, but I do – and I wont have it. This is why, bikes bike parts and bows and bow parts are the same in many ways – more then you realize. Lets take pedals for example, I can buy the cheap 15.00$ plastic pedal, and probably destroy it the first time I take a nasty spill, and you can forget stunts, plastic pedals just desinigrate under hard use, I’ed get two weeks mabie a month out of them before I would have to replace them. Or, I can buy the super sweet machined aluminum sealed bearing pedals for 100.00-150.00$. I’ve owned many many pairs of the latter pedals mentioned, I’ve jumed them, crashed them, etc…and they LAST, I dont have to worry about them, I’ve gotten 2-3 years out of a sweet set of pedals. Now do you see the difference, now do you understand why I want the best? Its not because I’m some big-headed elitist, I buy the more expensive bow parts because you get what you pay for, aned this attitude philosophy comes from nearly 38 years in the bicycle biz…if I’m going to make bow hunting a new hobby, why should I settle for second best or cheap stuff?[/quote:ejyydfen] if you want top end stuff,go buy it,but don’t whine about how much you spent afterwards,which seems to be the basis of your original post.i have $9,000 in bicycles(2) in my garage hanging,but i’m not bitchin’,nor do arghery guys care. but we are willing to help you with your bow.

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    January 5, 2013 at 8:51 am #545981 Back to Top REPORT
    jeffgothro
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    There are a ton of deer killed every year with what by your definition are “walmart quality” bows. That sight you are talking about. Whats wrong with it? It will help you kill a deer. Do you think the deer care that it is plastic? This is the kind of attitude that labels Mathews shooters as “cocky and arrogant”. And bikes and bows are different. You can take any bow on the market and kill a deer. I agree you cant take a bike from walmart to the tour de france and win.

    I hate to say it but the reason so many “pros” shoot Mathews is because they have a contract or deal with. Not saying its bad but many would drop their mathews in a heartbeat to get more money. Not all but most.

    Sorry, had to say it. i mean no offense but come on.[/quote:3pwxr9n5]

    Yes, I’m VERY serious, true story, my familys (on my moms side) is named CREED.

    C’mon now….I have to call you out, I woudnt go hunting with the bow linked to below or any number of bows I found on the walmart site. Its junk IMHO.

    http://www.walmart.com/ip/Bear-Archery- … k/14047684

    Your right, the dear isnt going to know, but I do – and I wont have it. This is why, bikes bike parts and bows and bow parts are the same in many ways – more then you realize. Lets take pedals for example, I can buy the cheap 15.00$ plastic pedal, and probably destroy it the first time I take a nasty spill, and you can forget stunts, plastic pedals just desinigrate under hard use, I’ed get two weeks mabie a month out of them before I would have to replace them. Or, I can buy the super sweet machined aluminum sealed bearing pedals for 100.00-150.00$. I’ve owned many many pairs of the latter pedals mentioned, I’ve jumed them, crashed them, etc…and they LAST, I dont have to worry about them, I’ve gotten 2-3 years out of a sweet set of pedals. Now do you see the difference, now do you understand why I want the best? Its not because I’m some big-headed elitist, I buy the more expensive bow parts because you get what you pay for, aned this attitude philosophy comes from nearly 38 years in the bicycle biz…if I’m going to make bow hunting a new hobby, why should I settle for second best or cheap stuff?[/quote:3pwxr9n5] if you want top end stuff,go buy it,but don’t whine about how much you spent afterwards,which seems to be the basis of your original post.i have $9,000 in bicycles(2) in my garage hanging,but i’m not bitchin’,nor do arghery guys care. but we are willing to help you with your bow.[/quote:3pwxr9n5]

    What are those bikes doing hanging up….GO RIDE!!! :thumbup

    January 6, 2013 at 1:08 am #545982 Back to Top REPORT

    boilerfarmer12

    Joined: 12/7/2012

    There are a ton of deer killed every year with what by your definition are “walmart quality” bows. That sight you are talking about. Whats wrong with it? It will help you kill a deer. Do you think the deer care that it is plastic? This is the kind of attitude that labels Mathews shooters as “cocky and arrogant”. And bikes and bows are different. You can take any bow on the market and kill a deer. I agree you cant take a bike from walmart to the tour de france and win.

    I hate to say it but the reason so many “pros” shoot Mathews is because they have a contract or deal with. Not saying its bad but many would drop their mathews in a heartbeat to get more money. Not all but most.

    Sorry, had to say it. i mean no offense but come on.[/quote:3kfh6fwc]

    Yes, I’m VERY serious, true story, my familys (on my moms side) is named CREED.

    C’mon now….I have to call you out, I woudnt go hunting with the bow linked to below or any number of bows I found on the walmart site. Its junk IMHO.

    http://www.walmart.com/ip/Bear-Archery- … k/14047684

    Your right, the dear isnt going to know, but I do – and I wont have it. This is why, bikes bike parts and bows and bow parts are the same in many ways – more then you realize. Lets take pedals for example, I can buy the cheap 15.00$ plastic pedal, and probably destroy it the first time I take a nasty spill, and you can forget stunts, plastic pedals just desinigrate under hard use, I’ed get two weeks mabie a month out of them before I would have to replace them. Or, I can buy the super sweet machined aluminum sealed bearing pedals for 100.00-150.00$. I’ve owned many many pairs of the latter pedals mentioned, I’ve jumed them, crashed them, etc…and they LAST, I dont have to worry about them, I’ve gotten 2-3 years out of a sweet set of pedals. Now do you see the difference, now do you understand why I want the best? Its not because I’m some big-headed elitist, I buy the more expensive bow parts because you get what you pay for, aned this attitude philosophy comes from nearly 38 years in the bicycle biz…if I’m going to make bow hunting a new hobby, why should I settle for second best or cheap stuff?[/quote:3kfh6fwc]

    I kind of see what your saying, but I bet that nearly every bow on the market will not break on you. Yea there are duds out there. Mathews doesnt machine their bows any better. Heck G5 bows are a lot cheaper and the machining and finish are top notch. And if you arent trying to sound like an elitist, your failing pretty bad.

    January 6, 2013 at 1:10 pm #545983 Back to Top REPORT
    spurhunter
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    This thread has no business in the archery tech forum. Where are the mods?
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