Why did the forum die?

Home Forums Non Archery Discussion Why did the forum die?

This topic contains 133 replies, has 47 contributors, and was last updated by arnej Arne 1 week, 3 days ago.

Viewing 15 posts - 76 through 90 (of 134 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • February 4, 2014 at 8:57 am #617992 Back to Top REPORT

    Jeremiah

    Age: 36
    Joined: 7/2/2004
    Location: PA
    View My Bows
    Brian can spend your money for sure. :P

    When I first started here I posted in the technical forum more than anywhere. (I was working in Dave Watson’s office at the time and really wanted to see this place take off. Mathews was our best sponsor even back then, in my opinion.) I don’t think I even ventured into the “NonArcheryForum” until several months in. At some point, anything one posted in the technical forum would be contested. (Sometimes even by the original poster whom had asked for help in the first place.) It got to the point where any advice one could offer was going to get beaten down by someone. While I had somehow managed to escape the flames myself most often, I still stopped posting there as I figured since everyone was already an expert, there was not much need to. ;)

    That’s around the point where I discovered this section. Once upon a time, there would actually be some topics in here about hunting with other weapons; not just topics about everything and anything other than hunting.

    Forums definitely have phases. People just don’t stay around forever. These days there just is no influx of new members coming in to replace the departing. I had been saying this was due to the new wave of social media (Facebook, Twitter, etc.) for years. (Running a forum myself, I saw it first hand. I saw the deep level of integration that my forum software producers were implementing between it and Facebook for example.) It has gotten to the point where you don’t even need to register an account on my forums. You can just login with your Facebook or Twitter credentials. Anything you post on the forums can automatically be ported to your Facebook/Twitter walls (and vice versa) as well. In other words, even I began to wonder, “Why bother coming to the forum anymore? I can just do it all on Facebook or Twitter.”

    There’s just no way that a new (white) forum skin and a clunkier interface alone took this place down. It had help. I, for one, am very interested to see what the next “big thing” will be. (As surely some day Facebook and Twitter will be as dead as MySpace and most web forums.)

    February 4, 2014 at 9:16 am #617995 Back to Top REPORT
    bow-drawn
    Bow Drawn

    Age: 62
    Joined: 11/14/2007
    View My Bows

    Why did it die ? Why did several others die as well that I know of? Facebook. Social Media took over in most of these forums and the main members that were active or the hosts moved all their time to maintain contact in that forum. Why do both? Most on the list weren’t here for the archery side and some weren’t shooting Mathews well before the forum made the switch.

    . I’m glad you feel the same way,i felt that a large portion of the “list” used the forum for anything but useful archery info.

    I guess I’m trying to figure out how that’s a problem. Most on that list had been here for 6+ years, and several since the very first days. They had seen virtually every topic of archery under the sun covered multiple times. Since they had such a long history together, they developed some cohesion as friends that went deeper than just shooting bows. As such, they participated largely in the ‘NON-ARCHERY’ sub forum. I assume that was the point of being classified ‘NON-ARCHERY’.

    Beyond that, the majority of those listed would still go out of their way to help others in any way that they could.

    Heck, I’ve been a part of AT for nearly 12 years now. I can’t tell you the last time I posted something in the general archery section there. My life is made up of much more than archery, and as such, it’s nice to have a place to hang out online where I know the people share my love for archery and hunting, but where we can discuss and debate other issues as well.{#emotions_dlg.mathews_thumbs_up}

    {#emotions_dlg.mathews_thumbs_up}{#emotions_dlg.mathews_applause} Amen Chris! I’ve made some great friends through this forum and that’s one of the best things about it in my book. I may not have posted a ton in the General Archery but I did when I felt I had something to contribute to a topic. Most of that section was on new bows which it should be and well, none of the new bows after I got my switchback XT really did anything for me and the one or two that did I just couldn’t justify the money on. As a matter of fact thatXT is still my only bow and I love to shoot it. So for me I had no opinions on newer bows, so less time in that section. I don’t think it really matters if someone was there to contribute everyday to archery questions, the forum was more than that and that’s what I loved about it. Shouldn’t have mattered why the people were there, they were there and contributed in their own way regardless of the section it was in.

    When it comes to helpfulness, yours is one of the names at the top of list, Brian. I know you’ve helped a TON of people with photography stuff, and you’ve assisted myself and countless others in spending our money!{#emotions_dlg.mathews_laughing}

    I’m not taking away anything from anyone on the list that disappeared from here or anyone here now. The friendship those folks share is a real deal. And No doubt about it they made some very generous contributions to this forum. I’m sure their friendships continue over on FB.

    But Face Book has killed other forums that were very active and friendships were founded as well.  The Social media deal is less restricting to make a comment on some things. That freedom I think is a huge deal for some folks to express their lives. Those threads would be erased on here in a nano second. {#emotions_dlg.mathews_wink}That’s where the competition is for forums like these and for the most part directly competes with the Non-Archery forum participation.

    I don’t read very many true archery solving issues posted on FB like what I find on here and other archery forums. That’s why I came here and why I stay on here.

    Even AT gets slow and very boring to read at times. I don’t hardly ever post on AT. This time of year most forums get slow compared to spring and summer archery season and again bow hunting season.

    February 4, 2014 at 6:19 pm #618059 Back to Top REPORT

    Merph

    Joined: 3/30/2005
    I do not know what I started with the list of members
    that I posted (I wish I could remember more old members)
    if I see your names I will remember them.
    Like Team Jesus said, I came here for info on my new bow
    the 1995 Switchback and Scotty Luck and Vince answered
    all my questions so I went to the NON ARCHERY DISCUSSION
    to hang out. Best thing I ever did here even though I did not
    post much.   I used to almost pee in my pants laughing at
    Pa Mathews Man coments and alot of others here.  Do you
    remember Va Mountain Hunter pictures of all of the animals
    poop? Again I almost wet myself with that thread.  I used to
    like to read Ronnieb stories. Limey from the UK had a different
    outlook than us here in the USA. That guy from Malaysa was a hoot
    with all the strange critters he hunted. Rem 270 and Fats gave me
    a west coast perspective.
    I think if ALL of us started to post here alot more, things might
    start to pick up a little more.  I am starting to ramble now.
    Just Sayin
    Murph
    February 4, 2014 at 6:32 pm #618067 Back to Top REPORT
    sticks
    sticks

    Joined: 2/5/2005
    View My Bows

    Why did it die ? Why did several others die as well that I know of? Facebook. Social Media took over in most of these forums and the main members that were active or the hosts moved all their time to maintain contact in that forum. Why do both? Most on the list weren’t here for the archery side and some weren’t shooting Mathews well before the forum made the switch.

    . I’m glad you feel the same way,i felt that a large portion of the “list” used the forum for anything but useful archery info.

    I guess I’m trying to figure out how that’s a problem. Most on that list had been here for 6+ years, and several since the very first days. They had seen virtually every topic of archery under the sun covered multiple times. Since they had such a long history together, they developed some cohesion as friends that went deeper than just shooting bows. As such, they participated largely in the ‘NON-ARCHERY’ sub forum. I assume that was the point of being classified ‘NON-ARCHERY’.

    Beyond that, the majority of those listed would still go out of their way to help others in any way that they could.

    Heck, I’ve been a part of AT for nearly 12 years now. I can’t tell you the last time I posted something in the general archery section there. My life is made up of much more than archery, and as such, it’s nice to have a place to hang out online where I know the people share my love for archery and hunting, but where we can discuss and debate other issues as well.{#emotions_dlg.mathews_thumbs_up}

    {#emotions_dlg.mathews_thumbs_up}{#emotions_dlg.mathews_applause} Amen Chris! I’ve made some great friends through this forum and that’s one of the best things about it in my book. I may not have posted a ton in the General Archery but I did when I felt I had something to contribute to a topic. Most of that section was on new bows which it should be and well, none of the new bows after I got my switchback XT really did anything for me and the one or two that did I just couldn’t justify the money on. As a matter of fact thatXT is still my only bow and I love to shoot it. So for me I had no opinions on newer bows, so less time in that section. I don’t think it really matters if someone was there to contribute everyday to archery questions, the forum was more than that and that’s what I loved about it. Shouldn’t have mattered why the people were there, they were there and contributed in their own way regardless of the section it was in.

    When it comes to helpfulness, yours is one of the names at the top of list, Brian. I know you’ve helped a TON of people with photography stuff, and you’ve assisted myself and countless others in spending our money!{#emotions_dlg.mathews_laughing}

    Thanks for the compliment Chris.  As for the spending peoples money part, I don’t know what you are talking about, especially spending Remmy’s money{#emotions_dlg.mathews_whistle}{#emotions_dlg.mathews_liar}{#emotions_dlg.mathews_laughing}

    How are you living your Dash?
    February 4, 2014 at 6:33 pm #618068 Back to Top REPORT
    sticks
    sticks

    Joined: 2/5/2005
    View My Bows

    Why did it die ? Why did several others die as well that I know of? Facebook. Social Media took over in most of these forums and the main members that were active or the hosts moved all their time to maintain contact in that forum. Why do both? Most on the list weren’t here for the archery side and some weren’t shooting Mathews well before the forum made the switch.

    . I’m glad you feel the same way,i felt that a large portion of the “list” used the forum for anything but useful archery info.

    I guess I’m trying to figure out how that’s a problem. Most on that list had been here for 6+ years, and several since the very first days. They had seen virtually every topic of archery under the sun covered multiple times. Since they had such a long history together, they developed some cohesion as friends that went deeper than just shooting bows. As such, they participated largely in the ‘NON-ARCHERY’ sub forum. I assume that was the point of being classified ‘NON-ARCHERY’.

    Beyond that, the majority of those listed would still go out of their way to help others in any way that they could.

    Heck, I’ve been a part of AT for nearly 12 years now. I can’t tell you the last time I posted something in the general archery section there. My life is made up of much more than archery, and as such, it’s nice to have a place to hang out online where I know the people share my love for archery and hunting, but where we can discuss and debate other issues as well.{#emotions_dlg.mathews_thumbs_up}

    {#emotions_dlg.mathews_thumbs_up}{#emotions_dlg.mathews_applause} Amen Chris! I’ve made some great friends through this forum and that’s one of the best things about it in my book. I may not have posted a ton in the General Archery but I did when I felt I had something to contribute to a topic. Most of that section was on new bows which it should be and well, none of the new bows after I got my switchback XT really did anything for me and the one or two that did I just couldn’t justify the money on. As a matter of fact thatXT is still my only bow and I love to shoot it. So for me I had no opinions on newer bows, so less time in that section. I don’t think it really matters if someone was there to contribute everyday to archery questions, the forum was more than that and that’s what I loved about it. Shouldn’t have mattered why the people were there, they were there and contributed in their own way regardless of the section it was in.

    When it comes to helpfulness, yours is one of the names at the top of list, Brian. I know you’ve helped a TON of people with photography stuff, and you’ve assisted myself and countless others in spending our money!{#emotions_dlg.mathews_laughing}

    Thanks for the compliment Chris.  As for the spending peoples money part, I don’t know what you are talking about, especially spending Remmy’s money{#emotions_dlg.mathews_whistle}{#emotions_dlg.mathews_liar}{#emotions_dlg.mathews_laughing}

    How are you living your Dash?
    February 5, 2014 at 8:37 am #618119 Back to Top REPORT
    brian-md
    BRIAN MD.

    Joined: 12/2/2004
    I don’t make it on here much anymore. My first post in awhile. Mostly on facebook. Brian Bichell
    February 5, 2014 at 9:44 am #618128 Back to Top REPORT
    bow-drawn
    Bow Drawn

    Age: 62
    Joined: 11/14/2007
    View My Bows

    I don’t make it on here much anymore. My first post in awhile. Mostly on facebook. Brian Bichell

    My point made, thank you.

    February 5, 2014 at 11:49 am #618147 Back to Top REPORT
    indychris
    Indychris

    Joined: 6/22/2004

    I don’t make it on here much anymore. My first post in awhile. Mostly on facebook. Brian Bichell

    My point made, thank you.

    It’s hardly a universal truism, though. Look at AT. The highest # of users ever for the forum occurred less than three months ago. Not bad for a forum  which is now, what, 14+ years old? {#emotions_dlg.typotux}

    This is a current snapshot of User #’s there:

    Screen Shot 2014-02-05 at 12.45.39 PM

    Now I’m not arguing that the new interface is the ONLY thing that has impacted the numbers here, but the migration of forum users from here to facebook was a reaction to rather than a cause of the loss of interest, IMO. Many online communities are doing the best they ever have right now, and many people on those communities are wearied of facebook’s privacy policies, getting hammered with ads, friend requests, etc.

    February 5, 2014 at 1:14 pm #618154 Back to Top REPORT
    99fatboy
    99fatboy

    Age: 52
    Joined: 2/15/2010
    Location: n.y.
    Photo Gallery
    I think because people were held accountable for their remarks on this forum vs. the many other venues where you can spout off anything you want to and not have to use any discretion, went elsewhere, so they could. I don’t miss that. I’m not knocking anyone, just my thoughts. This is a forum that does have ethics, where others don’t. This is certainly not the sole reason for the lack of activity, but I saw a bunch of people disappear on here after they didn’t use their heads, which is a shame.
    black z7 magnum,tommy hogg,qad,b-stingers, vaportrail: blue smoke triumph,sword,hamskae,b-stingers:desert tactical chill R, tommy hogg,limbdriver pro v,ktech
    February 5, 2014 at 4:08 pm #618162 Back to Top REPORT
    statedriller
    statedriller

    Joined: 9/15/2006
    Location: Call me...867-5309

    I don’t make it on here much anymore. My first post in awhile. Mostly on facebook. Brian Bichell

    My point made, thank you.

    It’s hardly a universal truism, though. Look at AT. The highest # of users ever for the forum occurred less than three months ago. Not bad for a forum which is now, what, 14+ years old?{#emotions_dlg.typotux}

    This is a current snapshot of User #’s there:

    Screen Shot 2014-02-05 at 12.45.39 PM

    Now I’m not arguing that the new interface is the ONLY thing that has impacted the numbers here, but the migration of forum users from here to facebook was a reaction to rather than a cause of the loss of interest, IMO. Many online communities are doing the best they ever have right now, and many people on those communities are wearied of facebook’s privacy policies, getting hammered with ads, friend requests, etc.

    I agree with you Chris…  And I never even looked at facebook until a bunch of my forum friends went that route.   I still only use it for them and a couple of gun groups.

    As for your comments fatboy, it makes me almost sad to hear them.  The Mathews Forum was the envy of the archery community.  And that’s not because of the tech info.  You obviously have no clue whatsoever what this forum was and what it meant to those that were here…

    The end is near....
    February 5, 2014 at 5:29 pm #618170 Back to Top REPORT
    99fatboy
    99fatboy

    Age: 52
    Joined: 2/15/2010
    Location: n.y.
    Photo Gallery
    Wrong, tech is much more interesting than disrespecting anything anyone said that one didn’t agree with. If  it was truly a passion of all of you that left, then why do you just abandon something that needs support? THAT is what I don’t have a clue about, because I’m not a quitter. If you truly have a passion for the sport and the forum, which seems unlikely, why don’t you rally your troops and make it a FUN, HELPFUL place to be. The archery community wasn’t, and isn’t envious of bashers and quitters. I know we don’t agree on much, but I think we can agree that abandonment doesn’t usually lead to rebuilding something we believe in. That is what makes me sad.
    black z7 magnum,tommy hogg,qad,b-stingers, vaportrail: blue smoke triumph,sword,hamskae,b-stingers:desert tactical chill R, tommy hogg,limbdriver pro v,ktech
    February 5, 2014 at 8:10 pm #618204 Back to Top REPORT
    sticks
    sticks

    Joined: 2/5/2005
    View My Bows

    Wrong, tech is much more interesting than disrespecting anything anyone said that one didn’t agree with. If it was truly a passion of all of you that left, then why do you just abandon something that needs support? THAT is what I don’t have a clue about, because I’m not a quitter. If you truly have a passion for the sport and the forum, which seems unlikely, why don’t you rally your troops and make it a FUN, HELPFUL place to be. The archery community wasn’t, and isn’t envious of bashers and quitters. I know we don’t agree on much, but I think we can agree that abandonment doesn’t usually lead to rebuilding something we believe in. That is what makes me sad.

    Myself I lost passion for this forum when it changed.  I don’t like the layout,design or the interface at all.  I’m all for rebuilding, however, as a beta tester for this forum we fought for many things that needed to be changed,revised and otherwise re-developed and it fell on deaf ears. We all voiced concerns that if the forum was launched in what has become it’s current form that many would leave and it would not attract the new members like most companies would hope a forum would. That was a huge issue for all the testers because of what the forum meant to us.  This is not like any other interface for a forum I’ve ever seen.  People like familiarity in web design, especially with forums.  Most do not like having to “learn” new interfaces,dealing with  slow load times and otherwise poor performance. This forum at initial launch was incredibly slow and buggy.  Those are things that drive people away quickly, it has nothing to do with people being quitters. I’m not a quitter and I think it’s safe to say the others that were regulars are not as well!  The reality is if people aren’t happy with something they choose other sites and forums to meet their needs. This forum as I’ve said dozens of times was my home and the first place I came to when I logged on the internet and it saddens me to see what it has become.  I think it’s going to take changes on Mathews part to help get this forum back up to what it was.

    If Mathews truly wants this forum to succeed and grow they honestly need to re-consider this design, which was suggested ad-nauseum during beta testing and even months after, and go with a more familiar forum layout and design like wordpress or the myriad of other ones out there that are more familiar .

    I honestly also wonder if there is a slow down with regards to the interest in the products and possibly the sport as well. People don’t seem as interested or impressed with what has been released the past few years which affects activity here.  I also wonder if the economy has played a roll?  Cost of bows keeps going up yet most peoples salaries don’t, price of bows has gotten pretty high, not just with Mathews, which makes it harder for people to afford and buy.

    How are you living your Dash?
    February 5, 2014 at 8:37 pm #618205 Back to Top REPORT
    pacritter
    PaCritter

    Joined: 8/14/2005

    I do not know what I started with the list of members
    that I posted (I wish I could remember more old members)
    if I see your names I will remember them.
    Like Team Jesus said, I came here for info on my new bow
    the 1995 Switchback and Scotty Luck and Vince answered
    all my questions so I went to the NON ARCHERY DISCUSSION
    to hang out. Best thing I ever did here even though I did not
    post much. I used to almost pee in my pants laughing at
    Pa Mathews Man coments and alot of others here. Do you
    remember Va Mountain Hunter pictures of all of the animals
    poop? Again I almost wet myself with that thread. I used to
    like to read Ronnieb stories. Limey from the UK had a different
    outlook than us here in the USA. That guy from Malaysa was a hoot
    with all the strange critters he hunted. Rem 270 and Fats gave me
    a west coast perspective.
    I think if ALL of us started to post here alot more, things might
    start to pick up a little more. I am starting to ramble now.
    Just Sayin
    Murph

    x2   LOL!!!!!

    February 5, 2014 at 8:39 pm #618206 Back to Top REPORT
    indychris
    Indychris

    Joined: 6/22/2004

    Wrong, tech is much more interesting than disrespecting anything anyone said that one didn’t agree with. If it was truly a passion of all of you that left, then why do you just abandon something that needs support? THAT is what I don’t have a clue about, because I’m not a quitter. If you truly have a passion for the sport and the forum, which seems unlikely, why don’t you rally your troops and make it a FUN, HELPFUL place to be. The archery community wasn’t, and isn’t envious of bashers and quitters. I know we don’t agree on much, but I think we can agree that abandonment doesn’t usually lead to rebuilding something we believe in. That is what makes me sad.

    Obviously if we’re posting here, then we aren’t the ones who ‘quit’.

    That said, if I had to speculate (or rather, choosing to speculate), I would suggest that for several with whom I’ve chatted and read things from here, it boils down not to the issue of ‘quitting’, but instead the question of ‘why remain on a sinking ship?’

    You can insinuate all you want that you’re not a quitter, but assuming that you’re not currently engaged in all the same activities you were when you were 5 years old, then your life, too, is full of things that you once participated in but no longer do.

    As for this forum, we can give every explanation we want to, and offer every excuse under the sun; we can tell people that the forum is still plenty useful, and that even though maybe the functions aren’t all the same, most of them are there in one capacity or another…but the fact remains, the CURRENT FORMAT IS HARDER TO USE AND LESS RELIABLE THAN THE PREVIOUS DESIGN.

    Like Brian (sticks), this used to be the very first place I would check when I had a few minutes to be online. This is now the last place I look if I have time and have scoured the three other forums I visit.

    To me it’s like Thanksgiving dinner. There’s always going to be a reason to go home for Thanksgiving. If you’re going home because you can’t wait to be there and visit with family that you enjoy being around, then you’re going to spend every possible minute there that you can. But if your Thanksgiving table tends to be one where the conversation is saturated with political disagreement, criticism and the like, you’ll go because you know it’s family and you need to at least put your time in and there are a couple of people that you really do want to see, but at the first available moment, you’ll bail because it’s easier to not be there.

    This used to be the Thanksgiving dinner that I had to force myself to leave. Now I check in because there are still a few that I want to keep tabs on. I keep hoping that it will feel like maybe it’s making forward progress, but in reality it’s not… {#emotions_dlg.mathews_crying}

    February 5, 2014 at 9:50 pm #618215 Back to Top REPORT
    statedriller
    statedriller

    Joined: 9/15/2006
    Location: Call me...867-5309

    Wrong, tech is much more interesting than disrespecting anything anyone said that one didn’t agree with. If it was truly a passion of all of you that left, then why do you just abandon something that needs support? THAT is what I don’t have a clue about, because I’m not a quitter. If you truly have a passion for the sport and the forum, which seems unlikely, why don’t you rally your troops and make it a FUN, HELPFUL place to be. The archery community wasn’t, and isn’t envious of bashers and quitters. I know we don’t agree on much, but I think we can agree that abandonment doesn’t usually lead to rebuilding something we believe in. That is what makes me sad.

    Myself I lost passion for this forum when it changed. I don’t like the layout,design or the interface at all. I’m all for rebuilding, however, as a beta tester for this forum we fought for many things that needed to be changed,revised and otherwise re-developed and it fell on deaf ears. We all voiced concerns that if the forum was launched in what has become it’s current form that many would leave and it would not attract the new members like most companies would hope a forum would. That was a huge issue for all the testers because of what the forum meant to us. This is not like any other interface for a forum I’ve ever seen. People like familiarity in web design, especially with forums. Most do not like having to “learn” new interfaces,dealing with slow load times and otherwise poor performance. This forum at initial launch was incredibly slow and buggy. Those are things that drive people away quickly, it has nothing to do with people being quitters. I’m not a quitter and I think it’s safe to say the others that were regulars are not as well! The reality is if people aren’t happy with something they choose other sites and forums to meet their needs. This forum as I’ve said dozens of times was my home and the first place I came to when I logged on the internet and it saddens me to see what it has become. I think it’s going to take changes on Mathews part to help get this forum back up to what it was.

    If Mathews truly wants this forum to succeed and grow they honestly need to re-consider this design, which was suggested ad-nauseum during beta testing and even months after, and go with a more familiar forum layout and design like wordpress or the myriad of other ones out there that are more familiar .

    I honestly also wonder if there is a slow down with regards to the interest in the products and possibly the sport as well. People don’t seem as interested or impressed with what has been released the past few years which affects activity here. I also wonder if the economy has played a roll? Cost of bows keeps going up yet most peoples salaries don’t, price of bows has gotten pretty high, not just with Mathews, which makes it harder for people to afford and buy.

    Thank you Sticks, I think you and Chris said it all…  We didn’t fail here, mathews did…

    The end is near....
Viewing 15 posts - 76 through 90 (of 134 total)