Whisker Type String Silencers-How To

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  • August 3, 2010 at 2:31 pm #518925 Back to Top REPORT
    l-o-s-t-arrow
    L.O.S.T.Arrow

    Joined: 5/16/2006
    Location: Alberta

    Neil,

    I shoot a SQ2 & have cat whiskers on the string & was thinking about
    putting some cat whiskers on the cable also, but trimming the length down a little bit on the whiskers{Mini Whiskers} I put on cable.
    How do you think this will work because I know the whiskers will last for a good while :?:
    Do you know of any problems that this may cause or does it sound like a good idea :?:

    :thumbup DS1 :thumbup[/quote:1jw0qi1l]

    :D We have done that…with the roller guard it didnt seem to have that much positive effect..as the bow was quite already due to whiskers on strings..but it cant do nothing but quite it down more..
    .we also cut them down to approx 3/4…they look good and wont have any ill effect…unless the whiskers dont have clearance and hits the string..it can wear

    IMO the monkey tails will last a long time on cables and do the job..
    :thumbup
    Neil

    August 23, 2010 at 9:27 pm #518926 Back to Top REPORT
    l-o-s-t-arrow
    L.O.S.T.Arrow

    Joined: 5/16/2006
    Location: Alberta

    Matching green whiskers to match Mathews dampeners…

    :D
    Neil

    August 25, 2010 at 6:24 pm #518927 Back to Top REPORT
    pa_mathews_man
    PA_MATHEWS_MAN

    Joined: 2/22/2005

    Matching green whiskers to match Mathews dampeners…

    ;;) ;;) ;;) ;;)

    :p

    August 25, 2010 at 6:39 pm #518928 Back to Top REPORT
    l-o-s-t-arrow
    L.O.S.T.Arrow

    Joined: 5/16/2006
    Location: Alberta

    Matching green whiskers to match Mathews dampeners…

    ;;) ;;) ;;) ;;)

    :p[/quote:1ef7z5g0]

    [ :cap5 ]

    :p

    November 9, 2010 at 5:02 pm #518929 Back to Top REPORT
    l-o-s-t-arrow
    L.O.S.T.Arrow

    Joined: 5/16/2006
    Location: Alberta
    :D

    There have been several updates or suggested changes since this post was first wrote…bows have gotten faster …and a little more aggressive so suggestions or changes with be in Red print[/color:1hqvi8uy]

    Neil

    :D Hey folks, I have seen a lot of questions lately on whisker type string silencers, do they work, how to tie them, where to tie them etc, so I will try to answer some of those questions.

    Whisker type silencers are not for everyone, you won’t see them on most target or 3D shooters bows, and/or on the “Speed Freak” hunter bows either :shock: .

    Reason being is they add a few feet per second loss, do they work well enough-to compensate for speed loss?, all my personal bows will always wear them, however I am into power hunting, where silence over weighs a couple feet per second any day :thumbup .

    There are other types of string silencers on the market, however they have the same speed loss and break very quickly.

    Mathews Bows are already extreme quite with their built in string suppressor system, however with a set of whiskers a shooter will hear a extreme difference again ?pure stealth.

    If you think you don?t need them, try them, then decide. :thumbup

    The whiskers I have in stock are custom made by “Apple Archery” and a supplier, and hands down are the best in the archery industry; they are designed with strength for today’s modern fast bows.

    The older types on the market start breaking in little as a dozen shots; where as “Apple Archery’s” whiskers will last the lifetime of the string, they are tuff and durable.

    The whiskers sold by Apple archery are in only Black, I had mine done for the shop in bulk custom colors, black, green, brown and gray.
    http://www.applearchery.com/

    When bought by the package they will come by the pair approx 5 inches long, I cut the 5 inch in half and use the four 2 ? inch strips for my whiskers.

    1-2-3 or four strips may be used, the more you use the more effective they are and complete a fuller whisker.

    The whisker will sit approx 2 ” to 3 ” from top string suppressor and 3 ” from bottom suppressor, with the DXT they need to sit at 2 “, which allows a clear sight pin view without obstruction, longer ATA bows can be set lower, just make sure a clear view of sights is clear at full draw.

    I have measurements for certain bows on different bow squares, measure and mark string, this is where your tied in whisker “stop” will seat and prevent whisker from moving downward when shooting, elsewhere they suggest a drop of Super Glue on string and slide the whisker into place, believe it or not I don’t suggest it.

    *Insert*…With todays faster bows I now suggest serving a one inch strip on string where whisker will be centered instead of “stop” pictured…we are using a .18 BCY serving
    The lighter the better to keep weight down…this is to prevent whiskers from slapping string and mainly from rotating on string causing wear due to speed

    On newer bows only top whisker will have to be servered as most using a Dead End String Stop are already served, on older models this is still suggested and you may have to serve both top and bottom, serving is very simple and easy to learn and do.[/color:1hqvi8uy]

    With bow under slight pressure I use my starter string separator [large diaper type pin] and insert string/serving material, thru center of strands, and tie onto string using a “Constrictor knot”, a knot I use constantly in my Wilderness Survival Courses and other wilderness adventures, best outdoors knot going.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constrictor_knot

    Finish Constrictor knot with a triple loop and single loop knot [surgical]-cut just under 1/8″ and with lighter melt ends together and push into main knot body to form a melted locked knot.

    Warning* Do not allow flame near string or allow knot material to burn close to string.

    Fold Whiskers over string and use trusty plastic clothes pin to hold whisker on string

    Tie whiskers on using constrictor knot and finish with the surgical knot cut and melt end as in tied stop.

    *Insert*.. We now only use a material called Super Tack to tie on the whiskers it is a 3/32 flat nylon cord that is waxed…It reminds me of sinew…

    This is the black we have and use the white..

    it is very strong…up to 100 lbs…most is 50 to 80 lb strength

    It is used a lot in furniture repair shops and Parachute equipment..

    I used it for taxidermy ..stitching up cape cut on the deer hide when mounting..

    The amazing factor is it ties easy and really cinches up with the “Constrictor knot”..best point is it “tacks” or sticks its self to its self for a knot that will never loosen up…and the cut end can still be melted to each other…

    With this material tie the “Constrictor knot”.. one more simple knot to finish and melt[/color:1hqvi8uy]

    Caution* It is suggested to use leather gloves to tighten knot severely

    I have a 7/8 inch mark drawn on my clothes pin, I use it to mark ends of whiskers to be cut-from center to both ends.


    *Insert* we now have the mark at 3/4 and overall whisker is maximum 1 1/2 inches…the smaller the whisker the less speed is lost[/color:1hqvi8uy]

    Then cut whiskers with sharp scissors

    Then fluff whisker out by pulling on whiskers, most can be separated quickly just by pulling on ends, whiskers will fluff even more after several shots.

    Use scissors to trim to desired size and even out, some may like the whisker that size or even trimmed down smaller.

    End results will be a trouble free whisker that will last the life of the string, and considerably lower the bows noise that much more. And HEY they look good, make you look like a hunter not a gull darn paper shooter[/size:1hqvi8uy] :p .

    Sorry about the quality of the pics-done them quickly by myself.
    :thumbup

    *Insert* With the newer line model bows with String Grubs, the whiskers can be installed teaming up with the Grubs…however extensive research was done by a very knowledgeable team and it was found the whiskers can replace the grubs and weight is approximate the same as the grub minimizing speed loss but keeping the same efficiency [/color:1hqvi8uy]

    :thumbup
    Neil[/b:1hqvi8uy]

    December 14, 2010 at 2:36 am #518930 Back to Top REPORT
    nick060200
    nick060200

    Joined: 6/19/2010
    im about to do this. have you ever used a series of over hand knots? like one on one side of the string and the next on the other. about 7-8 knots total? finished with a square knot? or is the constrictor knot best?
    December 14, 2010 at 4:07 pm #518931 Back to Top REPORT
    l-o-s-t-arrow
    L.O.S.T.Arrow

    Joined: 5/16/2006
    Location: Alberta
    :D With over hand knots you cant get it tight enough for the high speeds of todays bow..plus the knot can cause Super tack to break trying…the constrictor knot does just that …tightest knot going…we have tried them all…the constrictor works best hands down…use gloves and tie as tight as possible..

    :thumbup
    Neil

    December 14, 2010 at 11:53 pm #518932 Back to Top REPORT
    catcher8
    Catcher8

    Joined: 11/30/2009
    The measurement of 2″ from top suppressor and 3″ from bottom suppressor, is that the measurement from the suppresor to the center of the whisker where the knot is tied?
    December 15, 2010 at 8:56 pm #518933 Back to Top REPORT
    l-o-s-t-arrow
    L.O.S.T.Arrow

    Joined: 5/16/2006
    Location: Alberta
    The measurement of 2″ from top suppressor and 3″ from bottom suppressor, is that the measurement from the suppresor to the center of the whisker where the knot is tied?

    :D Yes :thumbup

    May 13, 2011 at 4:01 pm #518934 Back to Top REPORT
    l-o-s-t-arrow
    L.O.S.T.Arrow

    Joined: 5/16/2006
    Location: Alberta
    :D Update for the new Xtreme…

    Due to it Xtreme short ATA install top whisker as close to string suppressor as possible without touching..

    Reason for this…. is with normal placement and string angle …whisker will interfere with sight line or peep and obstruct vision…

    :D :thumbup

    Neil

    July 29, 2011 at 3:13 pm #518935 Back to Top REPORT
    l-o-s-t-arrow
    L.O.S.T.Arrow

    Joined: 5/16/2006
    Location: Alberta

    Red print[/color]

    Neil

    :D Hey folks, I have seen a lot of questions lately on whisker type string silencers, do they work, how to tie them, where to tie them etc, so I will try to answer some of those questions.

    Whisker type silencers are not for everyone, you won’t see them on most target or 3D shooters bows, and/or on the “Speed Freak” hunter bows either :shock: .

    Reason being is they add a few feet per second loss, do they work well enough-to compensate for speed loss?, all my personal bows will always wear them, however I am into power hunting, where silence over weighs a couple feet per second any day :thumbup .

    There are other types of string silencers on the market, however they have the same speed loss and break very quickly.

    Mathews Bows are already extreme quite with their built in string suppressor system, however with a set of whiskers a shooter will hear a extreme difference again ?pure stealth.

    If you think you don?t need them, try them, then decide. :thumbup

    The whiskers I have in stock are custom made by “Apple Archery” and a supplier, and hands down are the best in the archery industry; they are designed with strength for today’s modern fast bows.

    The older types on the market start breaking in little as a dozen shots; where as “Apple Archery’s” whiskers will last the lifetime of the string, they are tuff and durable.

    The whiskers sold by Apple archery are in only Black, I had mine done for the shop in bulk custom colors, black, green, brown and gray.
    http://www.applearchery.com/

    When bought by the package they will come by the pair approx 5 inches long, I cut the 5 inch in half and use the four 2 ? inch strips for my whiskers.

    1-2-3 or four strips may be used, the more you use the more effective they are and complete a fuller whisker.

    The whisker will sit approx 2 ” to 3 ” from top string suppressor and 3 ” from bottom suppressor, with the DXT they need to sit at 2 “, which allows a clear sight pin view without obstruction, longer ATA bows can be set lower, just make sure a clear view of sights is clear at full draw.

    I have measurements for certain bows on different bow squares, measure and mark string, this is where your tied in whisker “stop” will seat and prevent whisker from moving downward when shooting, elsewhere they suggest a drop of Super Glue on string and slide the whisker into place, believe it or not I don’t suggest it.

    *Insert*…With todays faster bows I now suggest serving a one inch strip on string where whisker will be centered instead of “stop” pictured…we are using a .18 BCY serving
    The lighter the better to keep weight down…this is to prevent whiskers from slapping string and mainly from rotating on string causing wear due to speed

    On newer bows only top whisker will have to be servered as most using a Dead End String Stop are already served, on older models this is still suggested and you may have to serve both top and bottom, serving is very simple and easy to learn and do.[/color:ba8val0x]

    With bow under slight pressure I use my starter string separator [large diaper type pin] and insert string/serving material, thru center of strands, and tie onto string using a “Constrictor knot”, a knot I use constantly in my Wilderness Survival Courses and other wilderness adventures, best outdoors knot going.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constrictor_knot

    Finish Constrictor knot with a triple loop and single loop knot [surgical]-cut just under 1/8″ and with lighter melt ends together and push into main knot body to form a melted locked knot.

    Warning* Do not allow flame near string or allow knot material to burn close to string.

    Fold Whiskers over string and use trusty plastic clothes pin to hold whisker on string

    Tie whiskers on using constrictor knot and finish with the surgical knot cut and melt end as in tied stop.

    *Insert*.. We now only use a material called Super Tack to tie on the whiskers it is a 3/32 flat nylon cord that is waxed…It reminds me of sinew…

    This is the black we have and use the white..

    it is very strong…up to 100 lbs…most is 50 to 80 lb strength

    It is used a lot in furniture repair shops and Parachute equipment..

    I used it for taxidermy ..stitching up cape cut on the deer hide when mounting..

    The amazing factor is it ties easy and really cinches up with the “Constrictor knot”..best point is it “tacks” or sticks its self to its self for a knot that will never loosen up…and the cut end can still be melted to each other…

    With this material tie the “Constrictor knot”.. one more simple knot to finish and melt[/color:ba8val0x]

    Caution* It is suggested to use leather gloves to tighten knot severely

    I have a 7/8 inch mark drawn on my clothes pin, I use it to mark ends of whiskers to be cut-from center to both ends.


    *Insert* we now have the mark at 3/4 and overall whisker is maximum 1 1/2 inches…the smaller the whisker the less speed is lost[/color:ba8val0x]

    Then cut whiskers with sharp scissors

    Then fluff whisker out by pulling on whiskers, most can be separated quickly just by pulling on ends, whiskers will fluff even more after several shots.

    Use scissors to trim to desired size and even out, some may like the whisker that size or even trimmed down smaller.

    End results will be a trouble free whisker that will last the life of the string, and considerably lower the bows noise that much more. And HEY they look good, make you look like a hunter not a gull darn paper shooter[/size:ba8val0x] :p .

    Sorry about the quality of the pics-done them quickly by myself.
    :thumbup

    *Insert* With the newer line model bows with String Grubs, the whiskers can be installed teaming up with the Grubs…however extensive research was done by a very knowledgeable team and it was found the whiskers can replace the grubs and weight is approximate the same as the grub minimizing speed loss but keeping the same efficiency [/color:ba8val0x]

    :thumbup
    Neil[/b:ba8val0x][/quote:ba8val0x]

    :D Just a reminder to read updates…in red

    February 5, 2013 at 10:49 pm #518936 Back to Top REPORT
    l-o-s-t-arrow
    L.O.S.T.Arrow

    Joined: 5/16/2006
    Location: Alberta
    :D No need for update…still works perfect with new bows up to date..

    Neil

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