Which is more accurate all other things equal??

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  • April 8, 2013 at 11:38 am #573200 Back to Top REPORT
    caswell80
    caswell80

    Joined: 2/13/2008
    Location: Michigan
    Interested in your opinions….please give some reasons for the basis of your opinion.

    Assuming an archer has solid shooting form and a good grasp on executing a shot properly which bow would be more accurate for hunting situations( mainly tree stand hunting) and shooting 3d 10-12 times a summer.

    1. A bow with a 7- 7.5″  brace height but shorter axle to axle 30-32″

    or

    2. A bow with a  6-6.5″ brace height with an axle to axle length of 33-35″

    All else equal….properly tuned, proper arrow spine, quality accessories, etc…

    I am not sure so I would appreciate your input!!

    April 8, 2013 at 12:57 pm #573207 Back to Top REPORT
    bow-drawn
    Bow Drawn

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    It’s a personal choice thing if all things are equal. Short ATA bows verses a bit longer ones means something to some shooters and shorter BH can present some considerations.

    Draw length also comes into play with string angle with these two choices.

    Number 1 most shooters would say is more forgiving compare to number 2. Especially in hunting type position and taking difficult shots.

    April 8, 2013 at 1:18 pm #573209 Back to Top REPORT
    hotshot
    Hotshot

    Age: 54
    Joined: 11/1/2008
    Location: Oregon
    We all have differing thoughts on this, here is mine. {#emotions_dlg.mathews_nerd}

    Long axle to axle, will let the bow hold steady, more stable for long range or precise shooting.
    The larger the brace, the more forgiving the bow is, the small mistakes you make in youre form will not be amplified as much. Your actual draw length does play into this area however. A shorter BH for a shorter person is effected far less than someone with a longer draw length. The power stroke is shorter thus the BH is less an influance when talking about forgivness and BH.
    I lean toward longer ATA, more out of personal comfort and preference than anything else.  The taller a person is and having longer arms a larger ATA helps for stablility and “fit to face” peep angle issues. There is a balance struck between the two for hunting for my bow choice.  But I will choose a bow more out of ATA than BH for target shooting everytime.

    So, for your two choices in bows, considering my opinion above, I would choose door number 2.
    For me and my fit to a bow it would have the best specs.

    {#emotions_dlg.mathews}

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 8 months ago by hotshot Hotshot.
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    April 8, 2013 at 2:10 pm #573219 Back to Top REPORT
    caswell80
    caswell80

    Joined: 2/13/2008
    Location: Michigan
    Thank guys! I can see how draw length would matter…for reference I have a 29″ draw.
    April 8, 2013 at 2:37 pm #573222 Back to Top REPORT
    bloodtrails
    bloodtrails

    Age: 43
    Joined: 8/9/2009
    Location: Texas
    Well, there are lot of shorter ATA bows out there that are shootin good right now. I am 6′ 1″ with a 29.5″ DL and I have no problem killing things. It s a personal preference. I don’t think there is a right answer here. If you shoot a shorter bow and have a long DL with a steep string angle and shoot it well than so be it. And if you prefer a longer bow and shoot it well than so be it!
    April 8, 2013 at 7:52 pm #573261 Back to Top REPORT
    caswell80
    caswell80

    Joined: 2/13/2008
    Location: Michigan
    Others thoughts?
    April 8, 2013 at 9:41 pm #573267 Back to Top REPORT
    statedriller
    statedriller

    Joined: 9/15/2006
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    I really think it’s personal preference too.  Brad and I are built about the same and he just rocks the short ata bows where I can’t.  I ‘m just more accurate with a longer ata.  But either way, I think a longer bh is beneficial in hunting.  Mainly for clothing clearance.
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    April 8, 2013 at 9:49 pm #573268 Back to Top REPORT
    caswell80
    caswell80

    Joined: 2/13/2008
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    I really think it’s personal preference too. Brad and I are built about the same and he just rocks the short ata bows where I can’t. I ‘m just more accurate with a longer ata. But either way, I think a longer bh is beneficial in hunting. Mainly for clothing clearance.

    very good point…thanks

    You all have made good points guys!  Thanks!

    {#emotions_dlg.mathews_thumbs_up}

    April 8, 2013 at 9:50 pm #573269 Back to Top REPORT
    elc1973
    Elc1973

    Joined: 1/20/2012
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    Shot my reezen 6.5 and my helim side by side. Reezen is about 2″ longer ata and I never noticed it before but the string angle and steadiness was huge for me. I think from now on longer ata bows for me. The difference in the two was very noticeable. I love my helim but hands down was more accurate with the longer ata and the peep angle is much better.

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 8 months ago by elc1973 Elc1973.
    April 8, 2013 at 10:45 pm #573276 Back to Top REPORT
    canadianboy
    CanadianBoy

    Joined: 6/7/2009
    Sorry but with the new short ATA bow it just doesn’t matter really , i can pick  anyone else bow and be accurate with it in 20 shot ,my new Chill just blowing away any respect i had for my Rezeen 7, it just the best overall bow right now and there is no way u shoot that bow and put it  back without giving u head a sake . That ‘s my 40 yd pin secound time ever april 08 13 033
    April 9, 2013 at 8:40 am #573280 Back to Top REPORT
    caswell80
    caswell80

    Joined: 2/13/2008
    Location: Michigan
    So if I was really happy with how each bow felt, shot, held on target, etc…

    I am thinking of becoming a 2 bow guy{#emotions_dlg.mathews_big_smile}{#emotions_dlg.eusa_dance} (already have a Z7)…and I really like how the mr6 and the Creed shoot for many reasons.  I am just torn with this overall issue.  I think that they could both be tack drivers but I have never had a bow below a 7″ brace height.  At my 29″ draw, I wonder if I would need to worry about my hunting coat in the late days of the season here in Michigan (with the 6″ brace of the mr6).

    I know it is a personal shooting preference deal but I seriously like them both!

    Sam

    April 9, 2013 at 10:13 am #573286 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
    gjarcher

    Age: 71
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    The Z7 and Creed are in the same IBO class … so arrows and sight settings are interchangeable, probably just a gang elevation adjustment to zero at 20 yds and the sight could be swapped from one bow to the other. Good thing to have in a backup bow.

    The MR6 would need its own arrows and sight settings … not a simple swap out of accessories in a pinch. Use the Dead End String stop or KSB1 string stop and you won’t have any issues with cold weather camo. I normally hunt with  a leafy 3D suit over my insulated coat and raincoat without string slap being a problem on the Monster.

    As far as ATA and BH goes, you have to find what suits your shooting style, especially string angle and a consistent anchor point shooting on side slope, up/down angles, etc. Riser geometry and cam letoff play a bigger role in forgiveness/bow hand torque and steady sight picture than I think the brace height does. Bows I’ve shot most accurately range from 6″ to 7¼” BH and from 33.5″ to 43″ ATA.

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 8 months ago by gjarcher gjarcher.
    April 9, 2013 at 1:40 pm #573299 Back to Top REPORT
    caswell80
    caswell80

    Joined: 2/13/2008
    Location: Michigan

    The Z7 and Creed are in the same IBO class … so arrows and sight settings are interchangeable, probably just a gang elevation adjustment to zero at 20 yds and the sight could be swapped from one bow to the other. Good thing to have in a backup bow. 

    The MR6 would need its own arrows and sight settings … not a simple swap out of accessories in a pinch. Use the Dead End String stop or KSB1 string stop and you won’t have any issues with cold weather camo. I normally hunt with a leafy 3D suit over my insulated coat and raincoat without string slap being a problem on the Monster.

    As far as ATA and BH goes, you have to find what suits your shooting style, especially string angle and a consistent anchor point shooting on side slope, up/down angles, etc. Riser geometry and cam letoff play a bigger role in forgiveness/bow hand torque and steady sight picture than I think the brace height does. Bows I’ve shot most accurately range from 6″ to 7¼” BH and from 33.5″ to 43″ ATA.

    • This reply was modified 3 hours, 18 minutes ago by caswell80gjarcher.

    Thanks Brian!  I appreciate how you break things down!!  Well now the fun begins…shoot them some more and keep this and what others have stated in mind!  I appreciate everyone who commented, thank you!

    Sam

    April 10, 2013 at 5:15 am #573357 Back to Top REPORT

    Sportsmanphil

    Age: 37
    Joined: 3/14/2013
    Location: nc
    I shoot 30″ draw and have had longer bows and now shoot the Z7Xtreme.  My buddy (longer bow man himself) told me I was crazy shooting a 28″ ata and drawing 30″.  He had a list of all the things that will go wrong.  Good for me, he was the only one that was wrong.

    I have NEVER robin hooded more arrows……

    What you need to consider is while at draw, the nock point to the axle is not what you should consider, its nock point to the limb pivot or top and bottom of the riser.  Holding my 28″ata z7x to a 35″ ata bow, the risers are the same length.

    As for the OP’s question.  Brace height doesnt make a bow MORE accurate, its just more forgiving for a bad shot…that said, using your own question, the shooter making a perfect shot, the brace height is a mute point.

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