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  • February 14, 2014 at 6:11 pm #619506 Back to Top REPORT
    rich_r
    Rich_R

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    Just trying to gather some info here.Which string is better? Xtreme8190,BCY-X,8125G,452X,Trophy. Which serving is better 3D or Halo?
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    February 14, 2014 at 8:13 pm #619512 Back to Top REPORT
    99fatboy
    99fatboy

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    I like 452x, 3d center serve and halo on the rest of it.
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    February 15, 2014 at 10:49 am #619550 Back to Top REPORT
    rich_r
    Rich_R

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    Thanks can always count on you,Brian or Ricky to chime in.
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    February 15, 2014 at 4:59 pm #619568 Back to Top REPORT
    hotshot
    Hotshot

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    I have been making my latest total systems using the BCY 8125 for the Sting material and the cable material…
    I believe the 8125 to be the fastest with little to no creep…452X is my second favorite and is also great to work with…The 425x, like the 8125,  holds up to hunting conditions well.

    3D serving for my center servings on my strings…no question…. I would suggest using the 3D or No. 62xs serving on hunting setups for your center servings….they are tough lasting material…

    008 Spectra serving thread is what I use on my end servings and mid servings when I know they will be in tough conditions. It is small enough to make fitting in the cam slots easy and the material is very tough holding up to hunting conditions and sharp radius cam sets.  I will use the Halo when I want my “fancy” two color string material to be seen on 3D setups….I would not use this on hunting setups however…It is not tough enough and will break when the 008 will not.

    Note: I have not use the BCY-X material yet….From what I know and experianced with the 8125 and the 425x I would think this new X material to be awesome. I did get a small 1/8lb spool of it to try on my next string and cable setup….But of course cant give you a opinion yet.

    Hope this helps….

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    February 16, 2014 at 12:23 pm #619630 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
    gjarcher

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    I didn’t chime in because I really don’t think the bow string material matters as much today as in the past, and the building process of laying up the strings and how the end loops are made, served vs unserved or wrapped, is more important … and Customer Service/Warranty.

    I still make strings out of BCY 450 and 452x. The 450 is normally what I use for cables, and the 452x for the strings because  it finishes as a smoother diameter. Both are prone to fuzzing since they contain about 33% Vectran, a strong, creep resistant fiber that is brittle and low abrasion. Because of the fuzz issues and the fact that they seem to absorb a lot of water in the rainy season (lose a couple of fps arrows speed that starts showing up at 40 yds and beyond), and that they make a bulky string when using 24-strand,requiring super-small diameter servings, I’ve since switched to the high-content HMPE materials, like BCY 8125/8190 and Brownell Astro Flight.

    The Brownell Astro Flight is very abrasion resistant, slick, and has a lot of recoverable stretch, making for a super soft shot. It is really great for bows with a lot of ‘hand shock’, taming them down quite a bit, but has a weird, soft, post-shot “feel” to it on the beyond parallel limb bows, IMHO.

    The BCY Trophy is really 452x treated for less fuzz and water absorbtion. I haven’t tried it, but my next strings on the Z7 Mag will be Zebra Trophy to see how they work out. Zebra says the lay-up process is ‘bullet-proof’ and after talking with Zebra, their commitment is to customer satisfaction, without specific warranty limitations.

    The BCY X is like the 452x with only half the Vectran. I haven’t tried it, but like most new things on the Archery market, it is probably being over-hyped.

    For a number of years I’ve been shooting BCY 8125 and like it for its abrasion resistance and that its performance holds up in the field during a week of solid drizzle and torrential thunderstorms. I would have to reset bow specs about every 6 months, which for me is about 5000 shots. I’m now shooting the Winners Choice weather treated BCY 8190 (8190x) and really like it. It has been on the Monster now for over 6 months and the ATA hasn’t moved even a fraction of an inch, and it held up great during several days of constant rain, plus there is zero fuzz…and is the only string that I actually gained a measurable speed with (Haven’t figured that out yet, could just be end serving diameter and cam track fit).

    I think a lot of the old issues are still around concerning creep vs fuzz, and the advertising hype about gaining speed with one material over the other. With todays new manufacturing processes, silicon impregnation processes, and pre-stretching, I think all the various materials are converging to the same properties. I’ve never gained measurable speed due to the weight of the bowstring/cables, but have discovered that the end serving diameters and how it fits the cam tracks can have an effect on speed.

    As far as serving materials go, I mostly use the BCY Halo .014 or the Brownell Mini (.015) for end serving to get a good fit on the cam tracks, especially if I go to a 24-strand lay up. The BCY 3D is .017 and doesn’t always fit the cam tracks well, and can cause a speed/DW loss. Check out BCY’s recommended end servings for the various string materials and strand counts at the bottom of the serving material web page:
    http://www.bcyfibers.com/Serving.php

    I like the Brownell Diamond Back for centerserving because of its good grip on D-loops, especially since it can be had in .018″ diameter. Usually the .020″ is perfect for the larger-throat Bohning Signature and F-nocks and Easton Super Nocks, and BCY Poly Grip is also OK, but the .018 Diamond Back works better for the G-nock and most other direct fit nocks. Some 24-strand lay ups require even smaller diameter centerserving than the .018, in which case I usually use the BCY Halo .017.

    I didn’t really answer the question, but I hope this helps … {#emotions_dlg.mathews_peace}

    February 16, 2014 at 2:07 pm #619642 Back to Top REPORT
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    February 16, 2014 at 5:51 pm #619672 Back to Top REPORT
    rich_r
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    I didn’t chime in because I really don’t think the bow string material matters as much today as in the past, and the building process of laying up the strings and how the end loops are made, served vs unserved or wrapped, is more important … and Customer Service/Warranty. 

    I still make strings out of BCY 450 and 452x. The 450 is normally what I use for cables, and the 452x for the strings because it finishes as a smoother diameter. Both are prone to fuzzing since they contain about 33% Vectran, a strong, creep resistant fiber that is brittle and low abrasion. Because of the fuzz issues and the fact that they seem to absorb a lot of water in the rainy season (lose a couple of fps arrows speed that starts showing up at 40 yds and beyond), and that they make a bulky string when using 24-strand,requiring super-small diameter servings, I’ve since switched to the high-content HMPE materials, like BCY 8125/8190 and Brownell Astro Flight.

    The Brownell Astro Flight is very abrasion resistant, slick, and has a lot of recoverable stretch, making for a super soft shot. It is really great for bows with a lot of ‘hand shock’, taming them down quite a bit, but has a weird, soft, post-shot “feel” to it on the beyond parallel limb bows, IMHO.

    The BCY Trophy is really 452x treated for less fuzz and water absorbtion. I haven’t tried it, but my next strings on the Z7 Mag will be Zebra Trophy to see how they work out. Zebra says the lay-up process is ‘bullet-proof’ and after talking with Zebra, their commitment is to customer satisfaction, without specific warranty limitations.

    The BCY X is like the 452x with only half the Vectran. I haven’t tried it, but like most new things on the Archery market, it is probably being over-hyped.

    For a number of years I’ve been shooting BCY 8125 and like it for its abrasion resistance and that its performance holds up in the field during a week of solid drizzle and torrential thunderstorms. I would have to reset bow specs about every 6 months, which for me is about 5000 shots. I’m now shooting the Winners Choice weather treated BCY 8190 (8190x) and really like it. It has been on the Monster now for over 6 months and the ATA hasn’t moved even a fraction of an inch, and it held up great during several days of constant rain, plus there is zero fuzz…and is the only string that I actually gained a measurable speed with (Haven’t figured that out yet, could just be end serving diameter and cam track fit).

    I think a lot of the old issues are still around concerning creep vs fuzz, and the advertising hype about gaining speed with one material over the other. With todays new manufacturing processes, silicon impregnation processes, and pre-stretching, I think all the various materials are converging to the same properties. I’ve never gained measurable speed due to the weight of the bowstring/cables, but have discovered that the end serving diameters and how it fits the cam tracks can have an effect on speed.

    As far as serving materials go, I mostly use the BCY Halo .014 or the Brownell Mini (.015) for end serving to get a good fit on the cam tracks, especially if I go to a 24-strand lay up. The BCY 3D is .017 and doesn’t always fit the cam tracks well, and can cause a speed/DW loss. Check out BCY’s recommended end servings for the various string materials and strand counts at the bottom of the serving material web page:
    http://www.bcyfibers.com/Serving.php

    I like the Brownell Diamond Back for centerserving because of its good grip on D-loops, especially since it can be had in .018″ diameter. Usually the .020″ is perfect for the larger-throat Bohning Signature and F-nocks and Easton Super Nocks, and BCY Poly Grip is also OK, but the .018 Diamond Back works better for the G-nock and most other direct fit nocks. Some 24-strand lay ups require even smaller diameter centerserving than the .018, in which case I usually use the BCY Halo .017.

    I didn’t really answer the question, but I hope this helps … {#emotions_dlg.mathews_peace}

    You may not have answered the question , as there really is no answer only opinions and info and as always you have posted alot of knowledge and usefull information thanks Brian you have helped more then you know.{#emotions_dlg.mathews_big_smile}

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    February 16, 2014 at 11:42 pm #619727 Back to Top REPORT
    hotshot
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    Maybe next time PM the guys you want answers from…save the rest of us time…

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    February 19, 2014 at 10:30 pm #620018 Back to Top REPORT

    Zedd

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    Kinda new here, but I appreciate the full monte opinion as I was wondering the same thing. Thanks GJArcher!
    February 20, 2014 at 5:57 am #620035 Back to Top REPORT
    99fatboy
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    Maybe next time PM the guys you want answers from…save the rest of us time… 

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    really???????  don’t read it then. Wow.

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    February 21, 2014 at 8:49 pm #620198 Back to Top REPORT
    rich_r
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    {#emotions_dlg.mathews_worried}
    Maybe next time PM the guys you want answers from…save the rest of us time…

     

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    I don’t believe I stated anywhere that I only wanted answers from certain members. Last I checked this was an open forum used for gathering knowledge and opinions from anyone and everyone willing to “Take” the “Time” to answer. In my future post’s I will remember to exclude you from joining as to not “waste” your “time”.

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    February 22, 2014 at 5:15 pm #620257 Back to Top REPORT
    blackdog
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    Kinda new here, but I appreciate the full monte opinion as I was wondering the same thing. Thanks GJArcher!

    Yes –  I picked up some information I was going to ask sometime.
    thanks to all!

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