to Creed or NOT to Creed…..THAT is the question…

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  • January 22, 2013 at 9:58 pm #497743 Back to Top REPORT

    Stringjumper

    Joined: 12/7/2012
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    I, like a few other members of the forum, have been waiting for a new Mathews “flagship” bow that has a slightly longer ATA. (32-33″)

    I’ve shot the Creed. It does seem to shoot smoothly….Drawing has differered on the two demo bows I tried….One had the “hump” before the valley, the other was seemingly (to me) not as harsh. Shot the Hoyt Carbon Element G3, Spyder 30, and the Elite Hunter on the same day. FWIW, the Creed was the best after the shot in terms of vibration and noise.

    Anyway, I have shot my Q2 since 2000, and am somewhat used to that bow, but I would definitely like to upgrade. I Love the draw of my Q2, but few…Correction……really, NO bows that I have shot lately have that smooth of a transition to the valley. I also realize that bows today are shooting with more energy and faster velocities, and with those two factors being involved there WILL be a “price to pay” when you draw the bow….

    I know that the new Creed will be a quality bow, will fit many people, especially those with shorter draw lengths, and that the bow will sell. I just wish that the new bow’s string angle would fit ME better, With a 29″draw, I feel that the 30 ata of the bow will force me to alter my shooting form. (yeah,yeah,yeah….Larger idler wheel= better string angle, whuddever)

    I’ve pm’d GJarcher a few times and discussed the M series bows, as they would give a similar string angle to my Q2( for those newer to Mathews, the Q2 is 34″ Ata and has an IBO speed of 308fps)… I guess what’s holding me back from that purchase is that I don’t know much about the M7 (except what I see on this forum ;) , and that the bow is a dual cam bow, where I would rather have a single cam……not to mention that the M7 is an “old” bow that has been around for 3+ years now!!

    How does the M7 Draw cycle compare to the Creed (as it drops into the valley)? I realize that the initial part of the draw will be more aggressive…. I have only drawn the M7 one time—never shot it . My local shop only makes special orders for Monsters. He doesn’t keep them in stock because he doesn’t sell many.

    For those of you that have a longer draw (28.5-30″) and have gone from a LONGER bow( 33″+) to the Creed, have you noticed the change in your shooting form due to the new string angle???

    I REALLY want to stick with Mathews! It is just unfortunate that Mathews hasn’t released the bow that I “have to have” for the past several years. I’ve had the money to get the bow for the past 3 years, but these “minibows” have been turning me away!

    January 22, 2013 at 10:34 pm #548570 Back to Top REPORT
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    Bow Drawn

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    :welcome

    I’m a 28″ draw and that equates to something more like a 28.5″ draw in real measurements. I too have this same feeling about the 30″ ATA bows that seems to have taken over the past several years. I want to buy a Chill. I like how it shoots and feels but I’m not pleased with the ATA. I also like the MR7 that I have and the Z7 Magnum. So this puts my need to buy one that has some maybe issues to it is making me hesitate on a deciding on a purchase this year.

    Just my :2cents

    January 22, 2013 at 11:19 pm #548571 Back to Top REPORT
    buckfever
    Buckfever

    Joined: 7/12/2004
    Well in terms of string angle the MR8 would be great. All the shops around here the MR8 is special order only, so I’ve never held one.
    January 23, 2013 at 12:21 am #548572 Back to Top REPORT
    canadianboy
    CanadianBoy

    Joined: 6/7/2009
    Give the Chill a try since u did not mention it , i got one in order after trying all the others 8D
    January 23, 2013 at 1:12 am #548573 Back to Top REPORT
    treestandwolf
    Treestandwolf

    Joined: 10/13/2008
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    I too was hoping for a longer ATA bow from Mathews. I owned a Outback and a Switchback LD, both super smooth and a pleasure to shoot, not that the Creed or the others are not.
    Since, I bought and still own a Z7 Extreme, and I took me well over a year to adjust my form and get really comfortable with this bow, there really is no mistakes, in my opinion, you can afford to make with the shorter ATA bows.
    I’m going to go shoot the Creed and the Z7x, they will have to feel and shoot better than the Z.
    Until then, I’m hopeful for a longer ATA from Mathews.
    1 Tactical and 1 Lost 2013 Creed, Axcel Sights, QAD's, Stokerized Revolver, GT Velocity Arrows, Rayzrs, Slick Trick Mags "I don't make excuses for what I do, only excuses for not doing it enough"
    January 23, 2013 at 10:38 pm #548574 Back to Top REPORT

    Stringjumper

    Joined: 12/7/2012
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    Does the M7 seem to have a better transition into the valley, as compared to the Creed? I do appreciate the solid backwall of the Creed…A solid backwall and no hand shock are the two reasons I made the switch to Mathews from an……….. XI Flatliner!………Anyone remember THAT bow!! WOW, that seems like a long time ago!!!

    What I appreciated about the Q2, (back in the day!), was that it had a seemingly seamless transition to the valley. If Mathews could create a draw cycle similar to THAT, but slightly more aggressive to make the speeds near 325-330 IBO. I would buy THAT bow (at 32″ata) in a Heartbeat!!! Would backing the let-off to 70-75 percent make this more possible? I do know that my Q2 had a 65% (70% effective) letoff.

    I’ve shot nearly every new bow since the Q2 (2000). I STILL think that both Switchbacks (Original and XT) are among the best bows ever made!! Kinda makes me wish I would have bought one back then!

    I think that the light, short bow “revolution” has brought more vibration…When the Drenalin came out I couldn’t believe that Mathews saw the bow as an “improvement” over the switchback series….just my opinion. And did many of us shoot the FIRST Reezens released?? Good that Mathews created the Harmonic stabilizers to get rid of THAT vibration!

    At least the Creed IS probably one of the best newer bows I’ve tried, for lack of noise and hand shock! It *almost* makes me ready to make a purchase. Maybe the Creed will have a “bigger brother” next year!

    Canadianboy, I’ll give the Chill a try….My local shop has one set up.

    January 23, 2013 at 11:06 pm #548575 Back to Top REPORT
    canadianboy
    CanadianBoy

    Joined: 6/7/2009
    Hope u do lack of noise and hand sock is what the Chill did better for me :thumbup and yes the last two, side by side Chill and Creed 3 shot with one then the other for 15 with each bow good luck 8D
    January 24, 2013 at 1:26 am #548576 Back to Top REPORT
    vatechhunter
    VaTechHunter

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    Give the Chill a try since u did not mention it , i got one in order after trying all the others 8D

    Isn’t the Chill 30 inches axle to axle too? I also want a longer axle to axle bow, so I was thinking a MR7. I have three Mathews, which are in my signature. The Reezen has the longest ATA at 32 and fits the best with the largest string angle (29 inch draw). I still shoot as good with the Helim and Z9, but the Reezen just feels better at full draw.

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    January 24, 2013 at 3:53 am #548577 Back to Top REPORT
    canadianboy
    CanadianBoy

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    Give the Chill a try since u did not mention it , i got one in order after trying all the others 8D

    Isn’t the Chill 30 inches axle to axle too? I also want a longer axle to axle bow, so I was thinking a MR7. I have three Mathews, which are in my signature. The Reezen has the longest ATA at 32 and fits the best with the largest string angle (29 inch draw). I still shoot as good with the Helim and Z9, but the Reezen just feels better at full draw.[/quote:34w5pzaz] I have the Reezen 7 and it was a pain to tune but once done just a great shooter got 3 deer with it this year but went i pick up the Creed for sure that was going to be the next one ,look better than the Chill and fell ligher shot niece then the Chill first shot was wtf happen just like nothing in u hand and the only sound was that arrow hitting the bag only had a wb on nothing else was like shooting a 22 that hit like a 300 mag and the tac finish look good on it 8D

    January 24, 2013 at 5:53 pm #548578 Back to Top REPORT
    hornhunter
    hornhunter

    Joined: 4/3/2009
    I had a Q2 that I loved and shot for many years,then I bought a reezen,then a z-mag,i have a 29″ draw didnt have to change my form. Each bow is a little different in feel,but the z-mag is a shooter give one a try. I sold my Q2 to my buddy and sometimes he will let me shoot it lights out
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