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  • March 6, 2007 at 5:06 pm #510533 Back to Top REPORT
    shacklehunter
    shacklehunter

    Age: 41
    Joined: 3/1/2006
    Location: Pennsylvania

    No, theyd have to pay my bills or atleast give me free bows to consider it. Hoyt makes a nice enough bow so it wouldnt be hard for me to recommend them so long as no one asks me about how they look. :D

    I do like the way Mathews looks when compared to Hoyt… but that doesn’t really matter to me in the long run. The problem is that I don’t know how well I can really shoot a Hoyt. [=}=][/quote:2cqziqv5]

    I was just throwing a little humor into my response. But all Im saying is if your going to shoot a Hoyt make sure you like it. I prefer Mathews and thats about it, Id have a hard time selling myself out for a measley discount, and if you dont truly believe in the product your promoting it would unfortunately make you a sellout. Sorry but thats the cold hard truth. Tell the shop you want to borrow a shop bow for a couple weeks, you may just like it. Its a whole different matter if theyre going to sponser you to a level to advance in archery to where you might make a living of it one day. Heck you could end up preferring the Hoyt.

    Heres my example of why I might sound bitter. The original proshop I started shopping at pushed Hoyt when the owner was on Hoyts Shooting Staff, then that changed when the whole family was on with Mathews then guess what they pushed as the greatest since sliced bread thing. Finally not so long ago I was told that Pearson is what I should be shooting by one of them. #-o[/quote:2cqziqv5] Sounds like when I bought a Bowtech a few years back. ](*,) Could it be? :whistle

    March 6, 2007 at 5:07 pm #510534 Back to Top REPORT
    bigeves34
    BigEves34

    Joined: 8/29/2005

    No, theyd have to pay my bills or atleast give me free bows to consider it. Hoyt makes a nice enough bow so it wouldnt be hard for me to recommend them so long as no one asks me about how they look. :D

    I do like the way Mathews looks when compared to Hoyt… but that doesn’t really matter to me in the long run. The problem is that I don’t know how well I can really shoot a Hoyt. [=}=][/quote:19lcr65m]

    I was just throwing a little humor into my response. But all Im saying is if your going to shoot a Hoyt make sure you like it. I prefer Mathews and thats about it, Id have a hard time selling myself out for a measley discount, and if you dont truly believe in the product your promoting it would unfortunately make you a sellout. Sorry but thats the cold hard truth. Tell the shop you want to borrow a shop bow for a couple weeks, you may just like it. Its a whole different matter if theyre going to sponser you to a level to advance in archery to where you might make a living of it one day. Heck you could end up preferring the Hoyt.

    Heres my example of why I might sound bitter. The original proshop I started shopping at pushed Hoyt when the owner was on Hoyts Shooting Staff, then that changed when the whole family was on with Mathews then guess what they pushed as the greatest since sliced bread thing. Finally not so long ago I was told that Pearson is what I should be shooting by one of them. #-o[/quote:19lcr65m]

    I knew that you were joking, MGun74 :D

    I guess what I’m really torn on is that I’ve never really given Hoyt a shot. I’ve always been a loyal Mathews man. I don’t really have the money to just pony up and buy another bow, so I guess I’ll just have to ask him for a “Trial-run” on shooting w/ the Hoyts. Thanks for all the responses guys, I appreciate it. [=}=] :thumbup

    March 6, 2007 at 5:09 pm #510535 Back to Top REPORT
    javi
    JAVI

    Joined: 7/5/2006
    I have more to add but it will have to wait for my lunch break… :whistle
    March 6, 2007 at 5:13 pm #510536 Back to Top REPORT
    bigeves34
    BigEves34

    Joined: 8/29/2005
    I have more to add but it will have to wait for my lunch break… :whistle

    Awww, come on Javi…. I’m hanging on every word here. :p

    March 6, 2007 at 5:19 pm #510537 Back to Top REPORT
    machinegun74
    machinegun74

    Joined: 7/26/2005
    I have more to add but it will have to wait for my lunch break… :whistle

    Glad to see you back Javi, I look forward to reading your post just as soon as I get back from putting a sink and crapper in. :D

    March 6, 2007 at 5:34 pm #510538 Back to Top REPORT



    Joined: 5/24/2004
    tough but i would look for a mathews shop shooter spot
    March 6, 2007 at 5:41 pm #510539 Back to Top REPORT

    Jeremiah

    Age: 37
    Joined: 7/2/2004
    Location: PA
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    Not only would I, but I have. I was Hoyt National Shooting Staff in ’05. That said, I did not renew and went back to shooting Mathews despite not being on staff.

    Oh, and I never read anywhere where I had to “give up” anything. The Mathews bows just went into “storage” for a while. (If I paid money… It’s mine to do with what I wish. Period. [=}=] ) Obviously glad I did so in retrospect.

    March 6, 2007 at 5:49 pm #510540 Back to Top REPORT
    hydrapress
    Hydrapress

    Joined: 6/15/2005
    Can you give me a little more info on how the Mathews Co-op program works?

    I was on a Mathews Shooter Program with a shop a few years ago that is no longer in business. I beleive the bows were $50.00 below dealer cost but don’t hold me to that.

    March 6, 2007 at 6:14 pm #510541 Back to Top REPORT
    javi
    JAVI

    Joined: 7/5/2006

    I have more to add but it will have to wait for my lunch break… :whistle

    Awww, come on Javi…. I’m hanging on every word here. :p[/quote:2bpve92o]

    I hope this might help some of you who are considering a position as a sponsored shooter; whether it is for a shop or a manufacturer. First let me say that being sponsored isn’t the next step to being a top archer, it isn’t even on the same path.

    When you accept either a gratuity or a straight payment in kind (salary) for promoting a particular store or product it should be a mutually beneficial contract between the principals. Far too often I see individuals who accepted a discount on equipment in exchange for many hours of service or promotion only to be dumped in favor of another at the drop of a hat. Be certain that the discount, freebie or cash is equivalent to the cost in service expected of you. Get all agreements in writing. There is nothing like getting a $50 discount on a bow and then finding out that you are expected to provide company logo’ed shirts and wear them at all shoots or that the sponsor expects you to work their booth at all local shoots.

    On the other hand I’ve many times seen sponsored shooters who failed to live up to their end as well. Far too often I see a shooter with 20 patches on their shirt and using another brand of sight or rest. I’ve heard one say “well if I weren’t paid to shoot this I sure wouldn’t”. This just after I overheard him say to another shooter… it’s the best rest made, if you shoot anything else your only hurting yourself. Prostituting yourself for a patch and a discount is not the way to achieve positive notoriety. But is the way to gain a reputation.

    Another thing to consider, especially if you plan on a future in competitive archery is the support that a particular company provides to its customers and its staff. It is much easier to promote and shoot for a company that fully supports the archery community. I have been sponsored by several great companies over the past few years and it has been a learning experience. Even though I have resigned all my staff positions except Gold Tip, it has nothing to do with the individual companies involved. I simply cannot fully meet the demands of the various contracts. And while I can shoot nearly any bow equally well, I chose the Apex and the Mathews line because of the support for the senior professional archer. No other company; not even Hoyt can hold a candle to the support Mathews gives to the many archery venues. And my shooting and promoting them is my way of saying THANK YOU…

    March 6, 2007 at 6:19 pm #510542 Back to Top REPORT
    gcdcpakmbs
    gcdcpakmbs

    Joined: 6/28/2004
    If a shop offered me a staff shooting position, I’d be looking for the cameras. Somebody is about to get punked.

    The point has been made. If you are going to receive compensation for representing a company, you’d better do it. There will most likely be times you have to swallow your tongue.

    March 6, 2007 at 6:27 pm #510543 Back to Top REPORT
    bownutty
    bownutty

    Joined: 1/19/2005
    There must be something in the air these days. My shop just offered me a Shop Shooter position and want me to shoot a Hoyt Ultra Elite. The shop sells Mathew’s and Hoyts. My prospective is this, I have a Mathew’s that I love and will continue to shoot, but it will be my hunting bow. It is my trusty Switchback that I can’t give up, even after shooting the XT and Drenalin a bunch. For leagues and tourneys, I’m am going to shoot the Ultra Elite to represent the shop. I have to admit I am a little brand loyal to Mathew’s, but this is a good opportunity for me, along with respect for my shop owner.

    One of the major reasons I am going to do it is because the owner asked me if I would be interested. This person is a good friend and has done so much for me as far as archery goes. Well above and beyond what would be expected of a business owner, and a friend. Also, Randall Wellings is the new manager of the shop and shooting coach. I take his advise seriously and respect him even more. Guess what his advise was to me? So, with that being said, I am representing Straight Line Archery shooting a Hoyt for spots and will continue to hunt with Mathew’s.

    March 6, 2007 at 6:38 pm #510544 Back to Top REPORT
    obsessedxt-2
    Obsessed/XT

    Joined: 1/22/2007
    I know a guy that was on Hoyts program last year and switched back to Mathews because drawing a Hoyt hurt his shoulder
    which is one reason I got an XT instead of a Trykon.
    but if I was that good of a shooter I would take the sponsorship, If it means that I can shoot more and get discounted prices what would it hurt? as long as I didn’t have any problems with my shoulder.

    I’d still keep my XT for hunting draws to smooth and shots to quiet to give it up

    March 6, 2007 at 7:00 pm #510545 Back to Top REPORT
    carbon-arch
    CARBON-ARCH

    Joined: 10/10/2004
    Nope [=}=]
    March 6, 2007 at 7:17 pm #510546 Back to Top REPORT
    bigeves34
    BigEves34

    Joined: 8/29/2005

    I have more to add but it will have to wait for my lunch break… :whistle

    Awww, come on Javi…. I’m hanging on every word here. :p[/quote:qj81tg0o]

    I hope this might help some of you who are considering a position as a sponsored shooter; whether it is for a shop or a manufacturer. First let me say that being sponsored isn’t the next step to being a top archer, it isn’t even on the same path.

    When you accept either a gratuity or a straight payment in kind (salary) for promoting a particular store or product it should be a mutually beneficial contract between the principals. Far too often I see individuals who accepted a discount on equipment in exchange for many hours of service or promotion only to be dumped in favor of another at the drop of a hat. Be certain that the discount, freebie or cash is equivalent to the cost in service expected of you. Get all agreements in writing. There is nothing like getting a $50 discount on a bow and then finding out that you are expected to provide company logo’ed shirts and wear them at all shoots or that the sponsor expects you to work their booth at all local shoots.

    On the other hand I’ve many times seen sponsored shooters who failed to live up to their end as well. Far too often I see a shooter with 20 patches on their shirt and using another brand of sight or rest. I’ve heard one say “well if I weren’t paid to shoot this I sure wouldn’t”. This just after I overheard him say to another shooter… it’s the best rest made, if you shoot anything else your only hurting yourself. Prostituting yourself for a patch and a discount is not the way to achieve positive notoriety. But is the way to gain a reputation.

    Another thing to consider, especially if you plan on a future in competitive archery is the support that a particular company provides to its customers and its staff. It is much easier to promote and shoot for a company that fully supports the archery community. I have been sponsored by several great companies over the past few years and it has been a learning experience. Even though I have resigned all my staff positions except Gold Tip, it has nothing to do with the individual companies involved. I simply cannot fully meet the demands of the various contracts. And while I can shoot nearly any bow equally well, I chose the Apex and the Mathews line because of the support for the senior professional archer. No other company; not even Hoyt can hold a candle to the support Mathews gives to the many archery venues. And my shooting and promoting them is my way of saying THANK YOU…[/quote:qj81tg0o]

    Awesome post, Javi. :thumbup :thumbup I was rolling a lot of this stuff around in my head last night, and just couldn’t get the loyalty to Mathews out of my head. They have been great to me, and I don’t really see any reason for me to change from them.

    Until I find a reason, I’ll be sticking with my :solocam

    Thanks again guys for all your posts!

    March 7, 2007 at 4:07 am #510547 Back to Top REPORT
    jackal
    Jackal

    Joined: 2/20/2006
    I’m also getting into the same predicament the shop doesn’t carry Mathews yet. But I think they will let me shoot what I want. Just have to wait and see.
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