Speed Vs heavier Arrow Weight for strictly target shooting

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  • September 17, 2008 at 1:21 pm #495949 Back to Top REPORT
    sticks
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    After reading all 5 pages of Alan’s thread it got me to thinking. I didn’t want to hijack Alan’s thread so I thought I’d start a new one

    What is more important for target shooters out there

    Speed or a heavier arrow weight

    I’m asking this in all seriousness because now it has me wondering with some of what I was reading in that thread. I’m going to need to order new arrows for both my wife and myself this winter and was going to drop the weight on both our setups to try and gain speed solely for a flatter trajectory. We shoot non competitve spots out to 50/60yds and 3-d. I know a heavier arrow will be affected less by the wind. So what’s the benefit either way??

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    September 17, 2008 at 1:24 pm #521774 Back to Top REPORT
    aoudad
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    Build them so I can get 280 fps out of the bow. (ASA)

    Heavier the better. Guy last year in Paris had a arrow bounce off the target, shooting light arrows. Judges ruled a miss.

    September 17, 2008 at 1:26 pm #521775 Back to Top REPORT
    thunderchicken21
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    Build them so I can get 280 fps out of the bow. (ASA)

    Heavier the better. Guy last year in Paris had a arrow bounce off the target, shooting light arrows. Judges ruled a miss.[/quote:2cjuaw7f]

    agree [=}=]

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    September 17, 2008 at 2:02 pm #521776 Back to Top REPORT
    wolbear
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    I try to get the best of both worlds. I try to set my arrows up right around 390 to 400 grains total arrow weight. I normally use the CX Maima Hunters 100 grain tip and blazers. I feel that this keeps the k.e. up for penetration and allows me to shoot 60+ yards in the backyard with now problems!! (70# Drenalin) My speed with these arrows is usually right around 290-292 fps.
    September 17, 2008 at 3:30 pm #521777 Back to Top REPORT
    redman12143
    redman12143

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    I shoot a beman ics 400 at 300 fps . my total arrow weight is 370 grains .
    it dont matter what arrow you shoot its all about shot placemant ..find what arrow you shoot the best and stick with it :thumbup
    September 17, 2008 at 5:50 pm #521778 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
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    I didn’t vote because I don’t think its as simple as all that.

    Accuracy comes first … you can make a lot of trade-offs, but if you start trading-off accuracy for other things, you’ll never be a serious competitor. You have to think about the venue of the competition in order to make the best trade-offs to get the best scores, IMHO.
    – if you are shooting Indoors, you don’t have to worry about wind, rain, other people’s arrows, or sight marks opening up at extended range. You can afford to go to the heaviest arrow, highest drag fletch, highest FOC, and lower draw weight to a comfortable setting that gives optimal grouping.

    – if you are shooting 3D, then you have to think about the trade-off of fat shaft diameter for scoring advantage and wind drift disadvantage, and while heavier arrow weight/FOC can help, it slows the speed so there is a trade-off that has to take your range estimation ability into consideration as well. You might have to go to ‘good weather’ shafts and ‘bad weather’ shafts. And then it matters if there is a 14-ring in play or not, but that only matters when it comes down to the shoot-off ;)
    – If you are shooting Field or FITA outdoors, then there are trade-offs that have to be made for extended range accuracy. Smaller diameter shafts with high wind drift resistence, and consistent drift, are needed to compete. You are giving up a slight scoring advantage at close ranges, to gain the scoring advantage at the longer ranges. You might have to go to a much heavier, slower shaft, with extreme FOC to get the accuracy needed, but distances are marked so speed isn’t a main concern as long as the arrow can get there :p

    This isn’t an answer, because I don’t feel there is an answer … its a process of trial and error with some basic understanding to build an arrow that gives YOU the best overall scoring advantage with your target setup.

    September 17, 2008 at 5:55 pm #521779 Back to Top REPORT
    blood-bath2006
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    Build them so I can get 280 fps out of the bow. (ASA)

    Heavier the better. Guy last year in Paris had a arrow bounce off the target[/color:3kf47jr2], shooting light arrows. Judges ruled a miss.[/quote:3kf47jr2]

    THAT is one light arrow :shock: :shock:

    September 17, 2008 at 5:58 pm #521780 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
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    Build them so I can get 280 fps out of the bow. (ASA)

    Heavier the better. Guy last year in Paris had a arrow bounce off the target[/color:1obv9q5b], shooting light arrows. Judges ruled a miss.[/quote:1obv9q5b]

    THAT is one light arrow :shock: :shock:[/quote:1obv9q5b]
    I had that happen with a 475 grain XX75 2018 … why do they put the rebar in the legs? ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

    September 17, 2008 at 6:15 pm #521781 Back to Top REPORT
    pa_mathews_man
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    Build them so I can get 280 fps out of the bow. (ASA)

    Heavier the better. Guy last year in Paris had a arrow bounce off the target[/color:19emfnd1], shooting light arrows. Judges ruled a miss.[/quote:19emfnd1]

    THAT is one light arrow :shock: :shock:[/quote:19emfnd1]
    I had that happen with a 475 grain XX75 2018 … why do they put the rebar in the legs? ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)[/quote:19emfnd1]Your not supposed to aim at the Legs :whistle :whistle :p :p

    always wondered about that,myself..lol[/size:19emfnd1]

    September 17, 2008 at 6:19 pm #521782 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
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    I wasn’t aiming at the legs :-S :-S

    Lost 5 pts because of a ‘rebar kiss-out’ ](*,) … just don’t seem fair :oops:

    … maybe heavier arrows would solve the problem? [=}=]

    September 17, 2008 at 6:45 pm #521783 Back to Top REPORT
    bigeves34
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    For 3D purposes, I would say that Speed matters more. From what I can tell (feel free to slap me if you think I’m wrong of course :) )… most people shooting competitive 3D are pretty good shooters, but judging yardage consistantly seperates the best 3D scores from everyone else.
    However, I think it is possible to get everything out of your arrows that you want. I shoot ACE’s for 3D because they shoot so accurately and they seem to “carry” for me when I make a mistake and judge a target wrong. (can’t expect the arrow to make up 10 yards though… which I have misjudged before #-o :oops: ) Going into the 3D season, I knew the weakest part of my game was judging targets, so I wanted an arrow that would be fast for me and carry well at those longer distances. You’ve just got to choose an arrow with characteristics that will help your[/u:15vw5rzt] game out the most! [=}=] :thumbup
    September 17, 2008 at 7:09 pm #521784 Back to Top REPORT
    blood-bath2006
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    Build them so I can get 280 fps out of the bow. (ASA)

    Heavier the better. Guy last year in Paris had a arrow bounce off the target[/color:3acciel7], shooting light arrows. Judges ruled a miss.[/quote:3acciel7]

    THAT is one light arrow :shock: :shock:[/quote:3acciel7]
    I had that happen with a 475 grain XX75 2018 … why do they put the rebar in the legs? ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)[/quote:3acciel7]

    YOU BIG DUMMY :^O :^O :^O :^O :^O

    Never thought I would have to say that to Brian…………….. Again :whistle :whistle :whistle

    September 17, 2008 at 7:11 pm #521785 Back to Top REPORT
    pa_mathews_man
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    I wasn’t aiming at the legs :-S :-S

    Lost 5 pts because of a ‘rebar kiss-out’ ](*,) … just don’t seem fair :oops:

    … maybe heavier arrows would solve the problem? [=}=][/quote:2tohjb1u]I’ve Used that excuse Befor Too :whistle :p ;) :^O :^O :hugs

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