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  • July 26, 2013 at 11:59 am #585882 Back to Top REPORT
    jcmullins
    jcmullins

    Age: 37
    Joined: 9/9/2011
    Location: GA
    I’ve read hundreds of these threads and I know it’s my decision.

    Brief History: My bow shop has been pushing Mathews for years but about 2 years ago they started pushing people towards Hoyt. I have owned and shot both.

    My problem is this. I enjoy shooting Mathews a lot. I think I would prefer a creed over the spyder 30. However both are extremely nice in every way and my shop keeps telling me that I should pick the spyder due to it being faster and in their opinion quieter.

    My take is that the creed is easier to draw, it is a bit slower (not sure it matters in real scenarios from a tree stand) and in my opinion quieter (I’ve also seen the test someone posted on here that seemed to show the creed as quieter.)

    I think my preference is easier draw and quiet. I know they will gladly sell me anything but, they keep pushing the spyder almost to the point that I feel I’m missing something or thinking crazy.

    Final question to creed owners. Is the cam buzz a wide spread issue or just the result of selling thousands of bows a few having problems that get reported in the forums

    July 26, 2013 at 12:23 pm #585887 Back to Top REPORT
    bm2
    bm2

    Age: 35
    Joined: 8/19/2004
    I’ve been in a shop like that before. Great shop. But finally found the deciding factor was $$$.
    Seen a guy that ust to work there and asked him. He said they are all good but we where told to push one over the other because the shop made more money on that brand than on the other brands they sell. They sale three of the top lines. so it wasn’t like theh we’re trying to push a junk bow on people. They just pushed the brand they made the most $$$ on.  Shoot em all and let one pick u

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by bm2 bm2.
    July 26, 2013 at 12:58 pm #585890 Back to Top REPORT

    buckpole

    Joined: 3/5/2009
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    As a shop owner we sell both brands, I don’t push one over another, I try to let the customer make his own mind up by letting them shoot each, They ask what I shoot and tell them it doesn’t matter what I shoot because im not going to hunt with their bow, shoot both you will soon enough its your choice.  You cant go wrong with either.
    July 26, 2013 at 1:07 pm #585891 Back to Top REPORT
    mhpm15
    mhpm15

    Joined: 5/20/2009
    Never have heard a “buzzing” noise coming from mine and I’ve shot it a ton since dec.
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    July 26, 2013 at 2:15 pm #585897 Back to Top REPORT
    wrkdvr
    wrkdvr

    Age: 35
    Joined: 2/5/2013
    Location: Virginia
    No cam buzz on my Creed, and it is pretty quiet….but not as quiet as my buddies Helim.  However, I found the Creed’s draw a little smoother than his.

    -Your mileage may vary.  Pick the one YOU want, not what you think others might WANT for you.

    July 26, 2013 at 2:39 pm #585907 Back to Top REPORT
    bow-drawn
    Bow Drawn

    Age: 63
    Joined: 11/14/2007
    Location: Ohio
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    Let the bow chose you is the old adage. The Creed and the Chill are very quiet and to me. The Hoyt spyder vibrated from the limb air shock after the shot. I know I read some posts about others having that same reaction to shooting it.
    July 26, 2013 at 3:11 pm #585911 Back to Top REPORT
    hotshot
    Hotshot

    Age: 54
    Joined: 11/1/2008
    Location: Oregon
    In your case it may be that the head guy or one of them there is “buddy buddy” more with the hoyt rep than the Mathews rep. Thier one sided nature has no basis of Hoyt being a better company.

    Read to me like you are leaning more to the Mathews bow. The differance in speed between the two bows your talking about wont show on your Sight Pin splits. I myself would go with which feels more smooth and quiet. Both seem to have a big following with the people who have bought them. The reviews on both have read very good. So, again, I think its back to which one feels better at the shot to you…as you already know.

    I have a very good friend who shoots 3D with me every week. He works at the Pro Shop I  hang and help out at.
    He and I have a Ford/Chevy conversation all the time about Mathews/Hoyt. He would most certainly like to sell me a Hoyt.
    Would happen if I liked a certain model better than a Mathews…..none so far. He would also admit to me it’s just that….Ford/Chevy.

    Both are good companies and I hear good things about both all the time. Each has a good rap when it comes to inportant things like warrenty help/work. Also good customer service for issues should they come up. So, you cant seperate the companies that way to much.

    One perk I have from helping at the pro shop is I get to shoot the bows. When I want to compair two or more bows I do something that you might try…….Take the Spider and the Creed..(or other Hoyt/Mathews bows you like) to the shooting line. Have someone hand them to you one after the other….dont look or take much notice of which one your shooting. You will narrow it down fairly quick to two. Then one.
    Good luck….Let us know which you go with…

     

    {#emotions_dlg.mathews}

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    July 26, 2013 at 3:13 pm #585912 Back to Top REPORT
    plinker22
    Plinker22

    Age: 51
    Joined: 2/24/2006

    Shoot em all and let one pick u 

    • This reply was modified 2 hours, 7 minutes ago by bm2bm2.

    Sage advice from bm2. ..  you will know. :)

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    July 26, 2013 at 6:21 pm #585939 Back to Top REPORT
    gollywompas
    Gollywompas

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    July 26, 2013 at 6:55 pm #585943 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
    gjarcher

    Age: 71
    Joined: 10/3/2006
    Location: Colorado
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    I don’t know the answer to your dilemma, but my only advice is be your own man … or woman.

    If you don’t feel you know enough to make your own decision, then back off and do enough research until you can make your own decision. That might take you deeper into bow engineering, shootability, forgiveness, draw cycle, and efficiency than you want to know at this point. However, without immersing yourself into the details, you’ll always be at the mercy of the next best salesman. {#emotions_dlg.mathews_peace}

    I’ve shot the Creed and the Spyder 30 … the Creed has my vote, but both have too sharp of a string angle to suit my personal shooting style. Not because I’m a Branded Mathews Guy, I shoot a Hoyt Contender Elite as my preferred target bow, but because I know what I want in a bow, and between the two for a hunting bow, the Creed  would be my choice.

    Just my 2¢ {#emotions_dlg.mathews_peace}

    July 26, 2013 at 7:28 pm #585949 Back to Top REPORT
    jcmullins
    jcmullins

    Age: 37
    Joined: 9/9/2011
    Location: GA
    ok. First, thanks for the responses. After thinking about it some more my concern stems from wanting to move to 60lb limbs and only a 27″ draw length. I like the draw on the creed but know that I loose some speed when compared to the spyder. I’m afraid I will miss the speed of a 70lb bow and then feel like I should have gone with the faster bow. This is compounded by my bow shop telling me the spyder is faster and quieter. Faster I know but I’m not sure I can hear the difference inside the bow range.

    General consensus, is the Creed quieter than the spyder?

    July 26, 2013 at 7:33 pm #585950 Back to Top REPORT
    jcmullins
    jcmullins

    Age: 37
    Joined: 9/9/2011
    Location: GA

    I don’t know the answer to your dilemma, but my only advice is be your own man … or woman. 

    If you don’t feel you know enough to make your own decision, then back off and do enough research until you can make your own decision. That might take you deeper into bow engineering, shootability, forgiveness, draw cycle, and efficiency than you want to know at this point. However, without immersing yourself into the details, you’ll always be at the mercy of the next best salesman. {#emotions_dlg.mathews_peace}

    I’ve shot the Creed and the Spyder 30 … the Creed has my vote, but both have too sharp of a string angle to suit my personal shooting style. Not because I’m a Branded Mathews Guy, I shoot a Hoyt Contender Elite as my preferred target bow, but because I know what I want in a bow, and between the two for a hunting bow,the Creed would bemy choice.

    Just my 2¢ {#emotions_dlg.mathews_peace}

    I’ve seen you do string angle comparisons before. Axle to axle is the same but I think the large idler wheel and cam add about 5″ to where the string rolls off. The spyder would have the #2 cam in my draw length. Can you comment on the string angle? Would the creed be less sharp due to the idler and cam size.

    July 26, 2013 at 8:17 pm #585954 Back to Top REPORT
    bow4life
    bow4life


    Joined: 8/17/2004
    Assuming you’re paying for your bow yourself, buy what you like, buy what you want. If someone else doesn’t like your decision they can buy you a different bow. {#emotions_dlg.mathews_peace}
    July 26, 2013 at 8:20 pm #585956 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
    gjarcher

    Age: 71
    Joined: 10/3/2006
    Location: Colorado
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    Both are about 34º,  a little less than I can handle without having to bend my head into the string, or going with a DL that is 1/2″ too long.

    Some like, or can handle, a shorter ATA, sharper string angle. I don’t. So I’m not the best advise on how the two bows compare, but if I had to choose, the Creed would be my choice based on hold, steadiness, and draw cycle.

    July 29, 2013 at 3:10 pm #586272 Back to Top REPORT
    centralilbowhunter
    central IL bowhunter

    Joined: 1/28/2010
    I shot the Creed and the Spyder 34 before I bought my Impact, and although the Creed was too short ATA for me (the reason I didn’t even shoot the Spyder 30), I felt the Creed was the better bow overall. The draw was much smoother and it was for sure quieter. I’m not too concerned with speed so I didn’t even compare them based on that. Another thing I noted about the Spyder 34 was that it had way more post shot vibration than the Creed.
    In the end, it’s not your shop guy shooting your bow, it’s you. Get the one YOU want.
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