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  • March 25, 2014 at 4:50 pm #623699 Back to Top REPORT
    doublegun
    Doublegun

    Joined: 7/15/2004
    This winter I have spent a lot of time doing a postmortem of my bow hunting, which was once again disappointing.  Most of my disappointment is directly related to the limited time that I was able to spend in the woods – something which was really out of my control last fall.  The lesson that was reinforced again for the umpteenth time was being absolutely prepared for the moment when a shot presents itself.  Last fall the ONLY shot I had happened on a rainy, grey October evening with minimal light left.  The shot, maybe 15-yards was low and just grazed the buck’s brisket – a little hair, some blood, that’s it.  In retrospect, I was lucky; it could have been a gut shot and with conditions, virtually impossible to track.

    I struggle with “the moment” when the shot has to be made.  Never as much time as seen on TV, a few seconds to gather my whits, control my breathing, find the pin, center and make a clean release.  My goal this year is to minimize the things that can go wrong in “the moment” and I am starting with my pins.  Do I REALLY need to have 5?  Two years ago I missed a deer, shooting WAY over the back, because in those fleeting seconds I centered the wrong pin (and I am not color blind).  This past fall, the batteries in my pin light were dead (mistake #1) and finding a pin was the problem, but would I have even picked the right pin had the light been on?

    A long pre-text to asking a question but I am sure many, if not all of you, have struggled with some of the same things and so I want to start a discussion about pins and does anyone hunting deer, in the midwest, really need more than three pins.  In fact, I am wondering if I should just strip down to ONE  and learn to actually learn where to hold based on distance.  What do you think?

    NOTE:  I am strictly a hunter – no competitive shooting, no 3-D.

    Thanks,

    JDG

    March 25, 2014 at 5:47 pm #623702 Back to Top REPORT
    hotshot
    Hotshot

    Age: 54
    Joined: 11/1/2008
    Location: Oregon
    Good question….{#emotions_dlg.mathews_nicethread}

    You will get a lot of opinions….
    Mine = less pins the better when hunting.

    You didn’t say what bow you shoot or what FPS your arrow is….Another thing, how far is your personal limit on a first shot?
    You would be better served in looking at two pins….not one… IMHO.
    Facts…A bow will have to shoot over 430FPS not to drop much at 40 yards with one pin….
    IMO…two pins with one set to 20 yards and the last at 40 yards is a better choice for hunting. Each to his own….This works for me Elk and Deer hunting.
    I wont shoot past 50 yards on my first shot. But in reality because of trees, brush a clear shot out to even 40 yards is a miracle most of the time in the woods.
    That’s my quick two cents….I just don’t think a fixed one pin will get it done…not close enough for me anyway…Two pins get it done for me however {#emotions_dlg.mathews_wink}

    {#emotions_dlg.mathews}

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    March 25, 2014 at 6:29 pm #623710 Back to Top REPORT
    99fatboy
    99fatboy

    Age: 53
    Joined: 2/15/2010
    Location: n.y.
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    I have used a single moveable pin for several years. I set my pin for the average distance I have shooting lanes for the most likely places the deer will walk thru, which in most cases is about 25yds. With a single pin, you have a very clear sight picture to hold a little high or low if needed. Two yrs. ago I shot my buck at 32yds. while set at 25yds. by holding just above center and double lunged him and was he taking a dirt nap in 35yds. I take the time to range all around me and get my markings in my mind for an automatic decision when the time comes.
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    March 25, 2014 at 8:02 pm #623732 Back to Top REPORT

    richl35

    Age: 39
    Joined: 7/22/2013
    Location: MA

    I have used a single moveable pin for several years. I set my pin for the average distance I have shooting lanes for the most likely places the deer will walk thru, which in most cases is about 25yds. With a single pin, you have a very clear sight picture to hold a little high or low if needed. Two yrs. ago I shot my buck at 32yds. while set at 25yds. by holding just above center and double lunged him and was he taking a dirt nap in 35yds. I take the time to range all around me and get my markings in my mind for an automatic decision when the time comes.

    This.

    Something that helped me quite a bit too is actually going to the 3d shoots. It really reinforced the kill zone that I’m shooting for and I think the pressure of making a good shot every shot because of the competition takes some of the edge off the moments when I am making the shot for real.

    Sent directly from my thoughts using tinfoil antennas and a stainless mixing bowl helmet.

    March 25, 2014 at 8:16 pm #623733 Back to Top REPORT
    doublegun
    Doublegun

    Joined: 7/15/2004
    Thank fellows.  Good stuff to consider.

    Shooting a Dren LD, 50-lbs, 29.5″ draw – haven’t crono’d the bow but I am thinking around 275 fps.  From what I have read, most guys are shooting deer at <25-yards so I think of setting my 1st pin at 25-yards, a second at 38-yards and the third at 50- yards which should spread out the pins to eliminate confusion and if I focus on lungs I should have enough margin of error to still make a lethal, fair shot.

    March 25, 2014 at 10:32 pm #623743 Back to Top REPORT
    rsutton
    rsutton

    Joined: 11/27/2008
    I shoot 3D to make me a better hunter and I think it really helps when making shots on live animals. It really helps you figure yardage out. I also use a range finder on trails and such but in the heat of the moment that can all go out the window. I also feel a huge difference in confidence when I shot a lot for practice!

    Good luck!

    March 26, 2014 at 7:25 am #623754 Back to Top REPORT

    Camolange

    Joined: 6/30/2011
    I shoot a movable single  pin which allows me to better focus on pin placement when hunting! I keep the pin set on 20 yards because the majority of the deer, bear, turkey, coyotes, fox, bobcats etc. that I have killed have been under 25 yards and if you hold on the center of the kill zone you will make a killing shot! I have also learned that at 40 yards on a deer if you hold at the top of his back with my 20 yard pin it will drop pretty much into the center of the kill zone. Whatever decision you make I hope this next season goes well for you!
    March 26, 2014 at 7:40 am #623755 Back to Top REPORT
    doublegun
    Doublegun

    Joined: 7/15/2004
    I am starting to see an advantage to shooting instinctively with a recurve. Less to think about, more time stretching the string.
    March 26, 2014 at 9:47 am #623762 Back to Top REPORT
    blackdog
    BlackDog

    Age: 63
    Joined: 7/21/2004

    I am starting to see an advantage to shooting instinctively with a recurve. Less to think about, more time stretching the string.

    That would work – but expect to spend the time to master it.

    For a reason you stated earlier – I prefer fixed pins. IMO sometimes things happen too fast to play with adjusting a single pin set-up (unless it’s fixed).
    Currently I use Spot Hoggs w 5 and 7 pins. I’m used to all the pins, so I don’t feel like I have ‘pin clutter.’
    Mostly because I like to shoot long range (practice/fun – not live animals).

    My pins are set to 10/20/30 etc.

    I usually hunt dense woods so shots are under 20/30 yards. Most are < 10.

    Since I usually end up using the first 2 pins, I don’t have a problem with the ‘which pin’ syndrome.

    JMHO {#emotions_dlg.mathews_big_smile}

    March 26, 2014 at 10:25 am #623764 Back to Top REPORT
    doublegun
    Doublegun

    Joined: 7/15/2004
    I really enjoy shooting instinctively with my recurves. It takes practice and a lot of focus and to me it’s much more satisfying trying to consistsently shoot 4″-5″‘groups at 20-yards than shooting spots with my DLD. I start every year thinking this will be the year that I actually hunt with a recurve but come September I pay $$ for out of state tags in OH and IN and I tell myself that I don’t have time to pass on or miss a trophy I’d I am only going to be able to hunt 4-5x in those states.

    I really enjoy hunting with a bow but I just don’t get out as much as I should and that relative lack of experience is really a problem in the moment when the shot is taken. That’s why pulling pins is probably a good idea for me. Spott Hogg is a great company to work with and adding pins back won’t be a problem or expensive.

    March 26, 2014 at 12:18 pm #623787 Back to Top REPORT
    bow-drawn
    Bow Drawn

    Joined: 11/14/2007
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    I have used a single moveable pin for several years. I set my pin for the average distance I have shooting lanes for the most likely places the deer will walk thru, which in most cases is about 25yds. With a single pin, you have a very clear sight picture to hold a little high or low if needed. Two yrs. ago I shot my buck at 32yds. while set at 25yds. by holding just above center and double lunged him and was he taking a dirt nap in 35yds. I take the time to range all around me and get my markings in my mind for an automatic decision when the time comes.

    {#emotions_dlg.sign_iagree} I practice with setting on my single pin sight at an average distance knowing that distance is shorter or longer for the shot.  I might have to hold high or low depending on the adjusted distance. That generally fairly good for hunting around Ohio. I assume anywhere back East. Out west the answer will be different due to shot distance and I still think a single pin sight is best for there too.

    I got to the point with a multi-pin sight getting confused because of how close they became as the speeds increased on my bows.

    March 26, 2014 at 1:16 pm #623795 Back to Top REPORT
    vanfossen
    vanfossen

    Joined: 11/26/2013
    I personally use a four pin sight and really only use 3 of them. In the off season i practice in all conditions, high winds, rain, snow, cold and etc. my opinion is practice like you play. I also shoot from my deck which is 12 feet high so I can practice angles like u would in a stand. I usually use 3 different targets at 3 different distances so I can have muscle memory at distances. About 2 times a week I’ll randomly set them at unknown distances with in 35 yrds. And then test my judgement. As far as pins i set one pin at the farthest distance I’m comfortable with and 1 at 20 yrds and one at 25yrds. Now when I set my stands I actually range different trees around my stand and mark them to represent certain distances such as blue tape for 20yrds and etc that way you don’t have to waste time juggling a rangefinder when a deer comes in. I also usually shoot 20-40 arrows a day which is a lil overkill but makes me confident

    Bowhunt Madness

    March 26, 2014 at 1:48 pm #623803 Back to Top REPORT

    Hodag

    Joined: 2/25/2009
    I have used 3 pins for many years now (all green- .019, .019 & .010).  I set them at 20, 35 & 50.  I will only shoot at a deer out to 40, so only 2 pins to choose from.  The 3rd (50 yd) is for target shooting or if I need a long “second shot” during tracking.

    I tried a 1 pin slider a few years ago.  I was screwing with the adjustment when I lost my chance at the shot.  It came off that night.  Back to 3 pins.

    Help with you moment of true issue:  I found shooting at more than just a target helped me a lot.  3d targets at nice but shooting at a chipmunk or red squirrel gets my adrenalin up at the moment of truth.  I learned a lot this way.  Good luck.

    March 26, 2014 at 3:00 pm #623805 Back to Top REPORT
    vash
    vash

    Joined: 5/30/2010
    Is that dren going to shoot that fast? I think you should just shoot what you have more. As hunters we owe it to the animal to be fairly good with our equipment. I hunt out west. I now have a. 3 pin with a slider. I’ve shot twice with the thing slid into the wrong position twice now. It is a bummer. I’m gonna keep shooting till it is burned into my brain.

    Sent via Jedi mind trick.

    March 26, 2014 at 4:35 pm #623816 Back to Top REPORT
    doublegun
    Doublegun

    Joined: 7/15/2004
    I agree completely agree about our obligations to our game and I do practice A LOT. But it’s in that moment in the field where I struggle; being completely aware.

    That 275 is a guesstimate but I don’t think it’s too far off.

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