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  • October 13, 2013 at 2:30 pm #598882 Back to Top REPORT
    jdhaines32
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    My peep has begun to rotate just slightly past center.  It is usually but not always probably about a 1/8 of a turn to the right.  But it doesn’t happen every time I draw back.  Sometimes, the peep will be good and centered and other times, it will not.  I had new strings and cables put on my Z7 over the summer.  I shot it about 200 shots and then had everything gone over to make sure I had no peep rotation, but it has begun rotating.  The pro shop that I got the bow from made the strings and cables, and I had a set on it before with no issues.  I took it down the other day and they looked it over and said it was a little out of time after checking the timing hole on the cam.  He added a twist or two not sure exactly and I shot it about 15 shots and the peep was good and centered every time.

    Yesterday while in the stand in the afternoon, I drew back and the peep was slightly rotated to the left this time which is opposite of the direction it usually rotates.  I still could have seen enough to shoot but it is getting frustrating.  I know you can turn the d-loop for a quick fix so I did this.  It seems that the knots on the d-loop turn quite easily, which I am not sure if they are supposed to turn real easy or not.  Another thing I noticed today was that I can turn the string when the bow is not drawn and that will change how the peep rotates at full draw.  It seems like the string doesn’t settle the same every time after being shot or being let down from full draw.   I have a G5 Meta peep also if that makes any difference.  I do not have a press or know enough about doing this all myself, so I will have to take it to the shop in the next few days to get it checked out but I was looking for any suggestions or ideas on what my problem might be, as I am trying to avoid having to go to a rubber tube on the peep if possible.  Thanks

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    October 13, 2013 at 8:18 pm #598962 Back to Top REPORT

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    October 13, 2013 at 9:55 pm #598989 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
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    It can happen with any string … it is a matter of getting the string and cable tensions balanced. It sounds like the string and cable have crept and the string is out of balance between the upper and lower half, especially if the bowtech twisted only the cable to bring the cam into time and didn’t correct the string creep as well. This article addresses what you can do now without tools.

    http://www.huntersfriend.com/peep_sight_alignment.html

    Take a pair of needle nosed pliers, insert into the D-Loop, open the pliers as hard as you can. This should tighten the D-Loop knots so that they don’t move easily.

    Since you are into bow season, you won’t want to start working on the string/cable tensions, bow specs, cam timing, etc. since you’ll end up having to retune and then broadhead tune again. If the bow is shooting broadheads OK, just tighten the D-Loop and adjust it to keep the peep square at full draw … if that doesn’t pan out, then another fix is to retie the peep in using the Fletcher method. You can correct peep alignment at full draw by sliding the upper and lower knots on the string either closer or farther away.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH8T3JcHWJY

    Get the string and cable tensions even and the upper and lower half of the string in balance after bow season … FWIW, that’s what I’d do.{#emotions_dlg.mathews_peace}

    October 13, 2013 at 10:42 pm #598998 Back to Top REPORT
    jdhaines32
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    It can happen with any string … it is a matter of getting the string and cable tensions balanced. It sounds like the string and cable have crept and the string is out of balance between the upper and lower half, especially if the bowtech twisted only the cable to bring the cam into time and didn’t correct the string creep as well. This article addresses what you can do now without tools.

    http://www.huntersfriend.com/peep_sight_alignment.html

    Take a pair of needle nosed pliers, insert into the D-Loop, open the pliers as hard as you can. This should tighten the D-Loop knots so that they don’t move easily.

    Since you are into bow season, you won’t want to start working on the string/cable tensions, bow specs, cam timing, etc. since you’ll end up having to retune and then broadhead tune again. If the bow is shooting broadheads OK, just tighten the D-Loop and adjust it to keep the peep square at full draw … if that doesn’t pan out, then another fix is to retie the peep in using the Fletcher method. You can correct peep alignment at full draw by sliding the upper and lower knots on the string either closer or farther away.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH8T3JcHWJY

    Get the string and cable tensions even and the upper and lower half of the string in balance after bow season … FWIW, that’s what I’d do.{#emotions_dlg.mathews_peace}

    Yeah my broad heads are shooting great and I thought I was good to go as it hadn’t been rotating after they put a twist in I believe the cable and something with the string as well. I didn’t have this problem with the last set of strings and cabela that they made me.

    I did try to moving the d-loop and it works for a few shot but semis to eventually go back to rotating a few degrees. I even tried fighting with the needle nose pliers as you mention and the same same thing happened after a few shots. The knots just seem to turn easier than I would think it should. Also sometimes when the bow isn’t drawn the d-loop is facing back toward center and other time it will be off to one side. The same goes for the direction the peep is facing when the bow isn’t drawn.

    What I don’t understand is the rotation isn’t consistent. Sometimes it is more degrees than others and it is usually right but the other day in the stand it went left but today it was back to being right. I can get it centered put it away and the next day it will be rotating off and on. Thanks for the links to the article and videos I will defiantly have watch them.

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    October 14, 2013 at 8:52 am #599024 Back to Top REPORT
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    I think the d-loop is moving your peep position sometimes because it’s not very tight on the center serving. Tighten it down and it will also keep the center serving from moving if it is moving. Another thing you might try is taking the peep and splitting strands of the string more to one side or balance it.
    October 14, 2013 at 9:13 am #599032 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
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    I think the d-loop is moving your peep position sometimes because it’s not very tight on the center serving. …

    {#emotions_dlg.sign_iagree} … also, nock fit will affect how the peep behaves. If the nocks fit tight on the centerserving, that will cause a number of issues.

    If the D-Loop won’t grip the centerserving tight, it may be made of material with a high Spectra or Dyneema content which is very slippery, but very abrasion resistant. Release rope that contains polyester braid, like BCY #24, will make a very tight grip. If you can replace the D-Loop without loosing your nock height, you might try BCY release rope.
    http://www.lancasterarchery.com/bcy-release-rope-foot.html

    If the centerserving is made of Spectra material intended for end serving or BCY Halo that can be used for either end or centerserving, then nothing will hold tight. Centerserving is normally polyester braid or polyester with a small amount of Spectra in it and will grip tight, like BCY #62 or BCY Polygrip or Brownell Diamondback. Check with who made the string.

    October 14, 2013 at 6:43 pm #599127 Back to Top REPORT
    Line the d loop up with the peep,  you can just push on the knots without loosing it,  then tighten the d loop up with the pliers made for d loops.
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    October 14, 2013 at 8:25 pm #599150 Back to Top REPORT
    griz80
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    I am having the same issue. When trying to rotate the D loop so that it is in line with the peep is it okay to just grip the D loop knots with pliers and twist? Do you need a special tool? I don’t want to damage or weaken the D loop. I’m new at this and want to make sure I don’t damage anything. Thanks!
    October 15, 2013 at 2:54 am #599193 Back to Top REPORT
    They make a special tool,  your local shop should have one,  I would go by there and let them use the tool to tighten the d loop,  as for could you do it with regular pliers,  I don’t know.

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    October 15, 2013 at 7:49 pm #599439 Back to Top REPORT
    jdhaines32
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    Well I took the bow to the shop today. They checked everything out to make sure the timing was good on it which it was. They had me shoot about 30 shots to see how it rotated so they could go from there. Needless to say it didn’t rotate one time. I even moved and turned the string at letdown like I was before which had caused to change the peep rotation, which this time it had no effect whatsoever ever. They draw down the d-loop with the special tool. When I got home it I drew it back a few more time with a arrow nicked and the peep was lined up every time, so I am not sure what the issue was but hole fully the unknown issue is resolved. I guess I will see what it does over the next few days.
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    October 15, 2013 at 7:56 pm #599441 Back to Top REPORT
    straightedge123
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    Well I took the bow to the shop today. They checked everything out to make sure the timing was good on it which it was. They had me shoot about 30 shots to see how it rotated so they could go from there. Needless to say it didn’t rotate one time. I even moved and turned the string at letdown like I was before which had caused to change the peep rotation, which this time it had no effect whatsoever ever. They draw down the d-loop with the special tool. When I got home it I drew it back a few more time with a arrow nicked and the peep was lined up every time, so I am not sure what the issue was but hole fully the unknown issue is resolved. I guess I will see what it does over the next few days.

    Sounds like they just cinched down your loop so it wouldn’t rotate on your serving.  It should not have been slipping in the first place.  D-loop pliers are a great tool to have.

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    October 16, 2013 at 10:12 am #599543 Back to Top REPORT
    blackbear74
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    I know you can turn the d-loop for a quick fix so I did this. It seems that the knots on the d-loop turn quite easily, which I am not sure if they are supposed to turn real easy or not.

    Sounds like the D-Loop is tied incorrectly. Are the knots facing opposite ways? If they aren’t, that is why it keeps coming loose after the shot.

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    October 16, 2013 at 11:53 am #599560 Back to Top REPORT
    jdhaines32
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    I know you can turn the d-loop for a quick fix so I did this. It seems that the knots on the d-loop turn quite easily, which I am not sure if they are supposed to turn real easy or not.

    Sounds like the D-Loop is tied incorrectly. Are the knots facing opposite ways? If they aren’t, that is why it keeps coming loose after the shot.[/quote]

    I am pretty sure they facing different directions but I will check this out tonight

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