Pardon for Billy the Kid? Yes or No

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  • August 1, 2010 at 1:26 am #530838 Back to Top REPORT
    nc_thin_dawg
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    Im at the assumption your talking about William H Bonie (Billy the Kid) and not billy clanton (billy the kid). In either event at this point its irrelevant at this point, people only see what history books report or what big screen movies show.

    Just remember there are people who were on the wrong side of the law of certain periods of time and made out to be heros. Id be happy to name a few.

    One of my favorite heros was Wyatt Earp. However he was wanted for theft of a horse and robbery.

    Dare I mention RobinHood? Fact or fable either way, a man that robs from someone and gives to another. A theif is a theif.

    I think all of this is based on semantics and not necessarily around facts. The history of W.H. Bonie is sketchy to begin with. There was alot of coruption and killing during the time, and I wasnt there.

    Now that being said, in todays society, yeah he was a killer,murder, theif and bandit. As long as what history books reported is true. With all the changes that have been revised over the years in history books, due to being PC who knows whats right or wrong?[/quote:1wez6tep]

    That’s right Jake – William H. Bonney (aka Billy the Kid).

    You’re right about good folks being on the wrong side of the law in some cases as well. They didn’t call it “Frontier Justice” for nothing.

    I’m also a big fan of Wyatt Earp. One of my favorite stories there was when he and Josie were traveling in one of the early “cars”. It overheated and they had to have some water so they stopped at a house but no one inside would let them in. It was a law in those days (speaking of “frontier justice”) that you had to help someone in such dire straits as it could mean life or death so Wyatt kicked the door down to get the much-needed water.

    I do beg to differ on the history of Bonney however. Nothing sketchy there. He was a cold-blooded killer, plain and simple. Pardon for this guy would be a travesty so it’s hard for me to believe the apathy. Even here on this site about 1/2 of those who voted “don’t care” and a lot of others looked at the thread but didn’t vote, which means they probably don’t care either. Not calling anyone out by any means, just a bit surprised. Next they’ll be trying to pardon John Wilkes Booth I guess. #-o

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learnt something from yesterday." John Wayne
    August 1, 2010 at 12:43 pm #530839 Back to Top REPORT
    damond
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    all we know about the kid is what was told by the corrupt people of lincoln county,as far as i know there was nobody left to tell his actual story,yes billy was a killer,but was he killing for a cause?i think he was.as far as garret killing him who knows,they were friends,and the only evidence of the kids death was garrets word.
    August 1, 2010 at 4:01 pm #530840 Back to Top REPORT
    bbeltram
    bbeltram

    Joined: 1/20/2008
    Why in the heck is this even being discussed other than to give Richardson some free press. They oughta lock him up for even bringing this up. :thumbdown I guess I’m getting tired of meaningless political stunts in my old age.
    August 1, 2010 at 4:30 pm #530841 Back to Top REPORT
    bowhunter843
    bowhunter843

    Joined: 8/12/2007

    Im at the assumption your talking about William H Bonie (Billy the Kid) and not billy clanton (billy the kid). In either event at this point its irrelevant at this point, people only see what history books report or what big screen movies show.

    Just remember there are people who were on the wrong side of the law of certain periods of time and made out to be heros. Id be happy to name a few.

    One of my favorite heros was Wyatt Earp. However he was wanted for theft of a horse and robbery.

    Dare I mention RobinHood? Fact or fable either way, a man that robs from someone and gives to another. A theif is a theif.

    I think all of this is based on semantics and not necessarily around facts. The history of W.H. Bonie is sketchy to begin with. There was alot of coruption and killing during the time, and I wasnt there.

    Now that being said, in todays society, yeah he was a killer,murder, theif and bandit. As long as what history books reported is true. With all the changes that have been revised over the years in history books, due to being PC who knows whats right or wrong?[/quote:f90vs2s2]

    That’s right Jake – William H. Bonney (aka Billy the Kid).

    You’re right about good folks being on the wrong side of the law in some cases as well. They didn’t call it “Frontier Justice” for nothing.

    I’m also a big fan of Wyatt Earp. One of my favorite stories there was when he and Josie were traveling in one of the early “cars”. It overheated and they had to have some water so they stopped at a house but no one inside would let them in. It was a law in those days (speaking of “frontier justice”) that you had to help someone in such dire straits as it could mean life or death so Wyatt kicked the door down to get the much-needed water.

    I do beg to differ on the history of Bonney however. Nothing sketchy there. He was a cold-blooded killer, plain and simple. Pardon for this guy would be a travesty so it’s hard for me to believe the apathy. Even here on this site about 1/2 of those who voted “don’t care” and a lot of others looked at the thread but didn’t vote, which means they probably don’t care either. Not calling anyone out by any means, just a bit surprised. Next they’ll be trying to pardon John Wilkes Booth I guess. #-o[/quote:f90vs2s2]I didnt vote for the meere fact that I rarely do polls. Alot of times you can vote on one of these polls and meet an interesting and informed person such as yourself and possibly sway someones voting interest. I just like if I were politically voting want to hear the debate before coming to a uninformed conclusion.

    That being said I too love Wyatt earp, my son that is on the way will be named Elijah Wyatt…. ;) . As far as the frontier justice yep that was the way of the west, and your name was all you had. With the case of Bonnie I think some of the killings done by him were sinceless, and unprovoked. Whether it be revenge or not.

    There was a program recently talking about bonnie and it showed a HIGH probability that Garrett did NOT kill Bonnie but rather let him go, and instead of heading for mexico he might of actually headed for the wildernesses of the dakotas and montana. Actually showed a possible leinage in that area. The problem with Garretts story was the fact of there being no light,no evidence and no one to identify bonnie other than Garrett speaks volumns.

    In the case of booth, well that was a political assasination and is another ball of wax like Oswald in the Kennedy.

    I think you have made a very good and valid point and to be honest no I dont see pardoning him nor do I see pardoning any of the other criminals like Bonnie and Clyde, “Babyface” Nelson, Jesse James, or a long list of others. Even the famous “Doc” Holiday rides the fence too much in my book. :whistle

    August 2, 2010 at 1:01 am #530842 Back to Top REPORT
    nc_thin_dawg
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    Im at the assumption your talking about William H Bonie (Billy the Kid) and not billy clanton (billy the kid). In either event at this point its irrelevant at this point, people only see what history books report or what big screen movies show.

    Just remember there are people who were on the wrong side of the law of certain periods of time and made out to be heros. Id be happy to name a few.

    One of my favorite heros was Wyatt Earp. However he was wanted for theft of a horse and robbery.

    Dare I mention RobinHood? Fact or fable either way, a man that robs from someone and gives to another. A theif is a theif.

    I think all of this is based on semantics and not necessarily around facts. The history of W.H. Bonie is sketchy to begin with. There was alot of coruption and killing during the time, and I wasnt there.

    Now that being said, in todays society, yeah he was a killer,murder, theif and bandit. As long as what history books reported is true. With all the changes that have been revised over the years in history books, due to being PC who knows whats right or wrong?[/quote:2glyuwfh]

    That’s right Jake – William H. Bonney (aka Billy the Kid).

    You’re right about good folks being on the wrong side of the law in some cases as well. They didn’t call it “Frontier Justice” for nothing.

    I’m also a big fan of Wyatt Earp. One of my favorite stories there was when he and Josie were traveling in one of the early “cars”. It overheated and they had to have some water so they stopped at a house but no one inside would let them in. It was a law in those days (speaking of “frontier justice”) that you had to help someone in such dire straits as it could mean life or death so Wyatt kicked the door down to get the much-needed water.

    I do beg to differ on the history of Bonney however. Nothing sketchy there. He was a cold-blooded killer, plain and simple. Pardon for this guy would be a travesty so it’s hard for me to believe the apathy. Even here on this site about 1/2 of those who voted “don’t care” and a lot of others looked at the thread but didn’t vote, which means they probably don’t care either. Not calling anyone out by any means, just a bit surprised. Next they’ll be trying to pardon John Wilkes Booth I guess. #-o[/quote:2glyuwfh]I didnt vote for the meere fact that I rarely do polls. Alot of times you can vote on one of these polls and meet an interesting and informed person such as yourself and possibly sway someones voting interest. I just like if I were politically voting want to hear the debate before coming to a uninformed conclusion.

    That being said I too love Wyatt earp, my son that is on the way will be named Elijah Wyatt…. ;) . As far as the frontier justice yep that was the way of the west, and your name was all you had. With the case of Bonnie I think some of the killings done by him were sinceless, and unprovoked. Whether it be revenge or not.

    There was a program recently talking about bonnie and it showed a HIGH probability that Garrett did NOT kill Bonnie but rather let him go, and instead of heading for mexico he might of actually headed for the wildernesses of the dakotas and montana. Actually showed a possible leinage in that area. The problem with Garretts story was the fact of there being no light,no evidence and no one to identify bonnie other than Garrett speaks volumns.

    In the case of booth, well that was a political assasination and is another ball of wax like Oswald in the Kennedy.

    I think you have made a very good and valid point and to be honest no I dont see pardoning him nor do I see pardoning any of the other criminals like Bonnie and Clyde, “Babyface” Nelson, Jesse James, or a long list of others. Even the famous “Doc” Holiday rides the fence too much in my book. :whistle[/quote:2glyuwfh]

    Congrats Jake. Look forward to seeing pictures of Elijah Wyatt. Thanks for the dialogue. I agree on Bonnie & Clyde and Babyface but not so sure on the James brothers – haven’t read enough on them. Doc was certainly different though and I’ve got to trust Wyatt there – “Doc Holliday was my friend”. :thumbup

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learnt something from yesterday." John Wayne
    August 2, 2010 at 1:54 am #530843 Back to Top REPORT
    javi
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    Come on guys…. I could care less if Billy gets a pardon and I’m pretty sure it ain’t gonna make him no difference either… but as for him being an outlaw and cold blooded killer… All the stories of chivalry and such is just that stories.. very few gun fights were fair and even fewer were mano to mano in the middle of the street..

    ‘sides that the winner gets to write history and not a single one is going to make a hero of the loser and vilify themselves… Take Hilter for instance… had he won “WE” would have been the bad guys… Had the English won the American Revolution “WE” would have been the outlaws and villains. Had the South won the war, Yankees would be the villains..

    Billy the Kid fought for a faction in the Lincoln counties war… they lost, they were outlaws and cold blooded killers…. if they had won they would have been heros… just like the Earps…

    August 2, 2010 at 2:04 am #530844 Back to Top REPORT
    rockster11
    rockster11

    Joined: 7/4/2004
    Pretty good info…. TRUE info at that.. :thumbup

    http://www.aboutbillythekid.com/index.html

    August 2, 2010 at 4:23 am #530845 Back to Top REPORT
    bowhunter843
    bowhunter843

    Joined: 8/12/2007

    Come on guys…. I could care less if Billy gets a pardon and I’m pretty sure it ain’t gonna make him no difference either… but as for him being an outlaw and cold blooded killer… All the stories of chivalry and such is just that stories.. very few gun fights were fair and even fewer were mano to mano in the middle of the street..

    ‘sides that the winner gets to write history and not a single one is going to make a hero of the loser and vilify themselves… Take Hilter for instance… had he won “WE” would have been the bad guys… Had the English won the American Revolution “WE” would have been the outlaws and villains. Had the South won the war, Yankees would be the villains.. [/color:3w0w4uef]

    Billy the Kid fought for a faction in the Lincoln counties war… they lost, they were outlaws and cold blooded killers…. if they had won they would have been heros… just like the Earps…[/quote:3w0w4uef]

    We didnt win? :shock:

    Then why are so many of them moving down here? :p

    August 2, 2010 at 10:20 am #530846 Back to Top REPORT
    vash
    vash

    Joined: 5/30/2010
    sure why not..

    the guy has done wonders to the story lines of many a western..i’ve been entertained as ****..

    August 2, 2010 at 3:04 pm #530847 Back to Top REPORT
    grayson-lawson
    Grayson Lawson

    Joined: 7/24/2010
    i voted yes billy the kid is awsome
    August 2, 2010 at 3:10 pm #530848 Back to Top REPORT
    bowhunter843
    bowhunter843

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    Tommy lets not forget Robert Redford and Paul Newman (Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid). There are monuments after them.

    As for Jesse James, if you want to see a movie with some fairly accurate descriptions watch the movie “The Assasination of Jesse James: By the coward Robert Ford”. Its a fairly long movie so I recommend taking breaks but its probably one of the most accurate depictions of the later years of his life that ive come across in a movie.

    August 3, 2010 at 3:31 am #530849 Back to Top REPORT
    damond
    DamonD

    Joined: 1/29/2008

    Pretty good info…. TRUE info at that.. :thumbup

    http://www.aboutbillythekid.com/index.html[/quote:2beomyt9]
    if you read all of this,how could you think the kid was a cold blooded killer?

    August 3, 2010 at 9:55 pm #530850 Back to Top REPORT
    nc_thin_dawg
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    Pretty good info…. TRUE info at that.. :thumbup

    http://www.aboutbillythekid.com/index.html[/quote:30sa6evp]
    if you read all of this,how could you think the kid was a cold blooded killer?[/quote:30sa6evp]

    You said the other information about the kid was “written by corrupt people”. What makes you think this website holds the “truth”? Another attempt at “revisionist history” IMO. I’ve read quite a bit on the kid and I’ll probably read some more but there’s nothing here to change my mind without checking all her sources which I’m sure she figures few will do. [=}=]

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learnt something from yesterday." John Wayne
    August 3, 2010 at 10:30 pm #530851 Back to Top REPORT
    bwhunt25
    bwhunt25

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    He rode for the brand… they killed his boss, he tried to kill them. if his faction had won, he’d have been a hero instead of an outlaw…

    I agree with JAVI!! :thumbup No one will ever know the real truth!! [-X

    August 3, 2010 at 10:31 pm #530852 Back to Top REPORT
    damond
    DamonD

    Joined: 1/29/2008

    Pretty good info…. TRUE info at that.. :thumbup

    http://www.aboutbillythekid.com/index.html[/quote:nh4ou2d5]
    if you read all of this,how could you think the kid was a cold blooded killer?[/quote:nh4ou2d5]

    You said the other information about the kid was “written by corrupt people”. What makes you think this website holds the “truth”? Another attempt at “revisionist history” IMO. I’ve read quite a bit on the kid and I’ll probably read some more but there’s nothing here to change my mind without checking all her sources which I’m sure she figures few will do. [=}=][/quote:nh4ou2d5]
    I said his story was told by the corrupt people of lincoln county,the people he was at war with,do you think they would honestly tell the truth,and since all this happened back in the 1800’s i would say things that happened have been stretched a little over time.

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