Monster Xlr8 & DXT with home made Tilt Tamer!!!

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  • October 3, 2013 at 11:53 pm #597448 Back to Top REPORT
    carlos-chavez
    Carlos Chavez

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    Check this out…eliminating bow torque super smooth draw solid wall, and perffecly aligned pins. all thanks to this¬†
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    Here is a different version on my DXT. if you thought this bow was smooth OMG is silky smooth with this systemDXT with home made tilt tamer0929132326b

    Check how the cable and strings move with the draw cycle no obstruction at all, pins line up perffecly, and the accuracy is amazing.

    Stay tuned for pictures of my sons Drenalin!

    October 4, 2013 at 7:06 am #597457 Back to Top REPORT
    mozartsmusic
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    I’m Impressed, Looks good!

    Scott {#emotions_dlg.mathews_nerd}

    That Crazy Old Mormon in Utah! My Bow: Prime Impact 50# @ 29" My Rest: Trophy Ridge "SmackDown" My Sight: Spott Hogg "Hunter"
    October 4, 2013 at 9:54 am #597491 Back to Top REPORT
    bow-drawn
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    Well it looks good. Are you going to protect it with a patent for the right to it?
    October 4, 2013 at 10:07 am #597494 Back to Top REPORT
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    Carlos Chavez

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    This system has already being patented. The gentelman who invented is Joe Marsullo, is just that he only made it for bows with cable rods. That didnt stop me  though.
    October 4, 2013 at 10:31 am #597497 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
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    Hmmm … I’m perplexed as to what it does differently, better, than the cable rod, which flexes,¬†and Teflon cable guide that is on my dual-cam 1992 Browning Maxim, or the flex rod system, like on the BowTechs? Also, I don’t understand how it could make the wall more solid, especially on a solocam, unless the system creates the equivalent of a draw stop¬†… either the cams are timed or not timed, regardless of the cabling?

    I did a Search at USPTO for ’tilt’, ‘tamer’,¬†‘torque’, ‘archery’¬†in the Abstract Field and for “Marsullo” in the Inventor/Assignee/Applicant Name Field¬†which produced zero results. Are you sure he isn’t Joseph Marzullo, who holds many¬†patents for mail/envelope stackers, document feeders, etc., but none for archery related devices¬† that I could find?

    Perhaps you could give a detailed explanation of how it works, or point to the Patent Number so we can read the Abstract?
    Maxim

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    October 4, 2013 at 10:58 am #597500 Back to Top REPORT
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    Is very easy to understand, when you realize your limbs are not flexed to the side. neither are the cams.
    October 4, 2013 at 11:10 am #597503 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
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    And that is the part that isn’t obvious to me¬†without fletch contact with the cabling¬†… perhaps you could explain how the limbs/cams are not flexed to the¬†side by this mechanism, or less so than by a flexible cable rod/arm, or just bending a cable rod to¬†reduce the amount the cables are pulled to the side at brace. I’m most confused on how this would work¬†on the AVS system that uses a floating yoke, similar to the yoke system on my 1992 Browning?

    Also, what is the purpose¬† of the ‘block’ on the rod, is it a cable slide stop? … a pivot point? … a cable rod offset? Some of the claims, such as firmer cam wall,¬†and the appearance/function are similar to the TurboSpeed apparatus, invented by De Sousa. http://www.bowturbow.com/index.html

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    October 4, 2013 at 11:32 am #597507 Back to Top REPORT
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    Carlos Chavez

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    this website as plenty of info just type tilt tamer. Just want to say this, I am not part of this company just
    a guy that wants to make my bow better than already is.  Check it out and i amazing!!#!
    October 4, 2013 at 12:26 pm #597512 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
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    OK, found it … http://tilttamer.com/how_works.asp

    After watching the video, I don’t see where it does anything differently than my cable rod on the 1992 Browning, which¬† is adjustable to barely¬†hold the cable clear of the fletch at brace, then bends in to bring the cables as close as possible to the centerline of the powerstroke without interfering with the arrow shaft. I think the BowTech Flx-Guard or PSE Flex-Cable Slide works similarly, but better than the standard cable rod.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXI29xQtqwc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp8WAWidWTw

    The whole subject of how much lateral nock travel affects precision, which is different than accuracy, is debatable. Whether a flexible (BowTech FLX-Guard/PSE Flex Cable Slide)¬†or self-adjusting cable offset (TiltTamer)¬†is better than a rigid offset¬†(Mathews Roller Guard/Hoyt In-Line Roller Guard) or if a shoot though cabling system (Barnsdale DOOVAWOPPIE”S )¬†is superior hasn’t been provable at the highest levels of competition. As long as a bow can be tuned to shoot a bullet hole in paper at several distances, proving straight arrow flight, any issues of cam lean/tilt or limb twist/tilt, torque, etc., become more theoretical than practical, IMHO.

    … but if it helps, it helps.¬† {#emotions_dlg.mathews_peace}

    October 4, 2013 at 12:51 pm #597514 Back to Top REPORT
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    This system has already being patented. The gentelman who invented is Joe Marsullo, is just that he only made it for bows with cable rods. That didnt stop me though.

    Having a patent and a patent pending are two different things. {#emotions_dlg.mathews_peace}
    Since Marzullo has a patent pending, Patent Application ¬†20100282226 (http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20100282226) , and a¬†roller arm¬†adapter in the works …¬† you might check with him … just saying.{#emotions_dlg.mathews_peace}

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    October 4, 2013 at 1:06 pm #597517 Back to Top REPORT
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    Gjarcher interesting video on youtube. I remember watching it and thinking it does a good job explaining why their bows need it because of their lateral nock travel.

    It doesn’t touch upon the idea of improvement of the wall in a draw cycle. Nor does it in a tilt tamer description and to me how could it.

    October 4, 2013 at 1:57 pm #597524 Back to Top REPORT
    carlos-chavez
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    Gentelmen I appreciate your replies, and what i shared with you is my own experience. I applaud companies like pse bowtech and now bear for adressing this problem, and patent pending or not I think is a cool system specially what it does for my bow.
    October 4, 2013 at 5:40 pm #597547 Back to Top REPORT
    bootheel-boy
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    I don’t see much difference than the old fiberglass or carbon cable rods we used. ¬†I had a Mathews MQ32 that the rod would bend drastically when drawing the bow. ¬† I started getting fletching clearance when that rod backed out of its hole. ¬†When I saw the Mathews roller guard I felt it solved a problem not created one.
    October 4, 2013 at 10:13 pm #597594 Back to Top REPORT
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    Carlos Chavez

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    This is my sons Drenalin10041319261004131924a
    October 4, 2013 at 10:50 pm #597597 Back to Top REPORT
    carlos-chavez
    Carlos Chavez

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    gjarcher, just got from work,  the block in the middle is to angle the rod.  So when the bow is at rest, the cables are out of the way,  when you are at full draw the cable comes towards the arrow, eliminating torque, i made my system adjustable to micro tuning
    And you asked how would it affect the wall, if you check your Drenalin cam just as the cable touches full draw you notice is at an angle then pushed to the middle, with the tilt tamer takes the angle off and the cable is guided perfectly in the groove.
    I checked out your picture, very interesting.
    for slide I use Saunder slide, pure teflon and internal wheel the best slide I have ever tried.
    I hope this answers some of your questions.
    Thanks again..
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