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  • November 13, 2013 at 12:44 pm #604903 Back to Top REPORT
    jaybirdm
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    I got a chance to shoot both bows. I shot the Chill R first and I am impressed. It shot very well, dead in hand. It really feels light and very manueverable. I shot at 62# normally shoot 60#. Bow was very quiet bare whisker biscuit and loop only. Hit bulls eye after 4 shots. It is very stable and a shooter.
    I rate it: 5 star

    Now, for the 321 fps IBO Creed XS. I liked the way it shot very smooth, dead in hand. The draw was very smooth also. It is a really nice bow. Should be very good in the treestand, blind and stalking. 
    My problem is we are getting new technology single cam’s and limbs and the speeds are going south. I am a single cam guy mainly (except my MR5) so I expect improvement in speed or at least maintain the 333 fps IBO of other flagships. Just can’t pull the trigger to purchase with lost of 13 fps.
    I rate it: 4 star

    Both Bows are really nice.
    Is there another single cam coming out this year with solid limbs no draw stop?

    November 13, 2013 at 5:01 pm #605191 Back to Top REPORT
    vince71969
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    My problem is we are getting new technology single cam’s and limbs and the speeds are going south. I am a single cam guy mainly (except my MR5) so I expect improvement in speed or at least maintain the 333 fps IBO of other flagships. Just can’t pull the trigger to purchase with lost of 13 fps.

    The speeds are not going South.  Actually, they’re increasing. A bow made 5 years ago with the draw and brace height of the Creed XS would be hitting an IBO of 305-310 tops. I like the new bows with lesser IBOs. I’ve been wanting to see them for a few years now and was thrilled last year when the introduced the Creed that addressed it.  The reason they’re not as fast is because the draw isn’t as severe. A more gradual buildup to peak weight does wonders for how repeatable the bow settles into position at full draw. There’s a reason why target bows aren’t built for speed. It all comes with a price.

    When a company offers different models it’s usually done to appeal to different preferences. For me, I’ll take a bow in the 320’s that’s comfortable to shoot in all conditions over a more aggressive platform every time.

    November 13, 2013 at 5:23 pm #605203 Back to Top REPORT
    z7kiefer
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    My problem is we are getting new technology single cam’s and limbs and the speeds are going south. I am a single cam guy mainly (except my MR5) so I expect improvement in speed or at least maintain the 333 fps IBO of other flagships. Just can’t pull the trigger to purchase with lost of 13 fps.

    The speeds are not going South. Actually, they’re increasing. A bow made 5 years ago with the draw and brace height of the Creed XS would be hitting an IBO of 305-310 tops. I like the new bows with lesser IBOs. I’ve been wanting to see themfor a few years now and was thrilled last year when the introduced the Creed that addressed it. The reason they’re not as fast is because the draw isn’t as severe. A more gradual buildup to peak weight does wonders for how repeatable the bow settles into position at full draw. There’s a reason why target bows aren’t built for speed. It all comes with a price.

    When a company offers different models it’susually done to appeal to different preferences. For me, I’ll take a bow in the 320′s that’s comfortable to shoot in all conditions over a more aggressive platform every time.

    As I see it, speed is indeed decreasing. The Reezen, which was brought out 5 years ago as your referred to, was IBO 340. That’s a far cry from 321 even if the brace height was adjusted. The Creed and Creed XS are the two slowest flagships in recent years. Since the Heli-m all I see is added weight and speed reduction, not sure exactly how those two things signify progress, or speed increasing.
    I love the single cam draw cycle but recent speed loss is deffinatly forcing me to go to a dual cam Monster. I love the Chill-R, which will be my next bow.{#emotions_dlg.mathews_thumbs_up}

    November 13, 2013 at 5:47 pm #605207 Back to Top REPORT
    vince71969
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    My problem is we are getting new technology single cam’s and limbs and the speeds are going south. I am a single cam guy mainly (except my MR5) so I expect improvement in speed or at least maintain the 333 fps IBO of other flagships. Just can’t pull the trigger to purchase with lost of 13 fps.

    The speeds are not going South. Actually, they’re increasing. A bow made 5 years ago with the draw and brace height of the Creed XS would be hitting an IBO of 305-310 tops. I like the new bows with lesser IBOs. I’ve been wanting to see themfor a few years now and was thrilled last year when the introduced the Creed that addressed it. The reason they’re not as fast is because the draw isn’t as severe. A more gradual buildup to peak weight does wonders for how repeatable the bow settles into position at full draw. There’s a reason why target bows aren’t built for speed. It all comes with a price.

    When a company offers different models it’susually done to appeal to different preferences. For me, I’ll take a bow in the 320′s that’s comfortable to shoot in all conditions over a more aggressive platform every time.

    As I see it, speed is indeed decreasing. The Reezen, which was brought out 5 years ago as your referred to, was IBO 340. That’s a far cry from 321 even if the brace height was adjusted. The Creed and Creed XS are the two slowest flagships in recent years. Since the Heli-m all I see is added weight and speed reduction, not sure exactly how those two things signify progress, or speed increasing.
    I love the single cam draw cycle but recent speed loss is deffinatly forcing me to go to a dual cam Monster. I love the Chill-R, which will be my next bow.{#emotions_dlg.mathews_thumbs_up}

    The difference is  the draw of the bow. The newer models aren’t storing as much energy, resulting in a more comfortable draw but at the expense of speed. I’ve owned the Reezen 6.5, and the Z7Mag.

    The Reezen is approx. 9 FPS faster than the Creed XS and 7 FPS faster than the Creed when BH is taken into consideration. For a slight loss in speed you’re gaining a bow far more comfortable to shoot. Especially when you’ve been sitting out in the cold all day.

    My posts aren’t intended to sway anyone’s opinion. People like what they like. You stated that You like the ChillR and that’s great.I’m looking forward to putting that through it’s paces as well.  I only advise to shoot as many bows as you can and never form an opinion on them (regardless of who makes them) until you do so. When you go into a shooting session with an open mind people will truly see that there’s some astonishing bows being put out there for us. No Mfg. is going backwards.

    Make sure you post some pics of your ChillR when you get it all set up {#emotions_dlg.mathews_thumbs_up}

    November 14, 2013 at 4:05 pm #605424 Back to Top REPORT
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    Vince in the past you posted some draw force curve graphs that show or demonstrate how the draw looks through the draw. Can you post some old ones and some of these newer bows from last year and this year? Along with the FPS rating  remember you did to compare IBO.

    To me the speed things has topped out with all bow manufacturers or engineers. The thing or focus you read now is the shoot-ability or smoothness or comfort light weight quality in shooting their bow. In my view they’re tweaking the innovative technology of last year to find the right combination to use on today’s bows.

    November 14, 2013 at 4:12 pm #605427 Back to Top REPORT
    vince71969
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    Yes. I can do that. When I do my analysis of the XS ill post it by itself. I’ll include others in a different post when I pull up all the info. Most will be time consuming to find as I transferred all my saved files when switching from a PC to a Mac. Send me a PM if I forget, please.
    November 14, 2013 at 4:30 pm #605432 Back to Top REPORT
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    Yes. I can do that. When I do my analysis of the XS ill post it by itself. I’ll include others in a different post when I pull up all the info. Most will be time consuming to find as I transferred all my saved files when switching from a PC to a Mac. Send me a PM if I forget, please.

    Thanks! I always appreciated it and I’m sure other here do to.

    November 14, 2013 at 5:04 pm #605441 Back to Top REPORT
    hotshot
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    Good idea Mark!
    That along with some of the stuff Brian will probably put in his review should show great overall information on these bows.

    I don’t get the differences in the chrono though.  The last two reviews showed the Chill R less than I found it…also less than others….including the video review on the Chill R page….Interesting. I hope mine is in the “faster” chrono side of things.

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    November 16, 2013 at 8:07 pm #605832 Back to Top REPORT
    straightedge123
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    Went in early today to take the Creed XS and the ChillR for a test drive.  I also took my own bow, an S2, along for a side by side comparison.  I also took one of my own arrows weighing in at 449g total weight.

    Here are the settings for each bow
    CreedXS  –  60# 28″ with Pulse dropaway and a loop

    ChillR – 60# 28″ with Whisker Biscuit and a loop

    Mathews S2 – 60# 29″ with QAD HD , loop, peep, and string silencers

    I set all draw weights as close as I could to 60# and using the same arrow from each bow I shot and recorded 3 speeds per bow:

    Creed XS – 249, 249, 250
    ChillR – 259, 260,260
    S2 – 247, 249, 249

    As closely as I know how, the speed ratings that I come up with for these numbers is:
    CreedXS – 324 fps
    ChillR – 337 fps
    S2 – 318 fps

    Both the CreedXS and the ChillR were quieter bows with less hand shock and vibration than my own.  Both were stiffer drawing as well. The CreedXS had the larger drawstop in place which results in a very short valley and a seemingly diminished letoff (more holding weight).  Each time I drew the Creed the bow jolted as the draw stop bumped the limb.  With such a short valley this was not comfortable.  The bow was light and was noticeably shorter but had a nice draw which I would call smooth.  But I was not happy with the short valley and the jolt at the end.  Very quiet and no vibration perceived at the shot.  It did not hold as well as the full size Creed.  This bow needed a stabilizer to give it some weight.  This bow had the standard wood grip.
    The ChillR was equipped with a Focus Grip and held oh so well.  It had a smoother draw and a wider dwell zone than did the Creed XS.  It was as quiet and it felt like a longer draw, even though both bows were 28 inch draws.  No hand shock do I recall, and it shot very well.  I liked the ChillR much better, and I am predisposed to favor single-cam bows.

    As noted above, by my calculations, the CreedXS exceeded its IBO and the ChillR fell short.  I added in a couple of FPS to account for the WB rest to come up with my guess of 337 fps.

    I liked the ChillR the best.  I know the bows were set as well as I could set them in terms of centershot and nock height, and as close as I could get them to 60#.

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    November 17, 2013 at 11:27 am #605905 Back to Top REPORT
    hotshot
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    Nice review StraightEdge….{#emotions_dlg.mathews_thumbs_up}
    I think we are finding that Mathews did put out two very nice bows. The Creed xs did not answer the call for what most of us solo cam fans were in hopes of. Obviously enough said about that….
    The Chill R on the other hand did go the direction most wanted. A longer ATA than last years new Monster modle with some speed to boot. I dont know why we are getting a variety of FPS differance in our tests however. I found the Chill R to be “probably” faster than the IBO by a little…some are finding it the same as advertised….while some others are finding it a litle short on the advertised IBO. Although our over all differance would not show up in field use where our sight pins are concerned…..

     

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    November 18, 2013 at 9:37 am #606200 Back to Top REPORT

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    I got out and shot the new bows.  I will leave the Creed XS to others as it just isn’t what I am looking for.

    The Chill R however is a pretty good option.  To set up my review it will help to have some back story.

    After struggling to get comfortable with my DXT for some time and then finding this forum, I learned I had some issues with form related to being fitted with to short a draw length.  Once I got the draw length corrected, I had trouble with the short ata of the DXT getting a comfortable anchor point.  That and the desire to drop down to the 60-63lb range due to some neck issues, led me to search out another option.

    I ended up with a 60lb MR6.  I have 28″ and 28.5″ mods for it which draw about 28.75″ and 29.375″.  The bow shoots great and is easier to draw at 63lbs than my DXT was at 67lbs and still faster.  It was very easy to tune and I had no problem getting my field tips and broadheads to shoot together out to 70yrds.  and Bare shafts shooting out to 30yrds.  What I don’t like about it is the overall weight, how unbalanced it feels (top heavy) and the amount of play at the back wall (compared to draw stop bows).  I realize this is all somewhat subjective but it led me to keep looking at other options.

    In my recent search shooting all sorts of different companies bows, I came across New Breed and really enjoyed shooting the Genetix.  Very light weight bow that is well balanced.  A bit stiffer on the draw than the MR6 but smooth all the way to a rock solid back wall and 340fps out of a 7″ brace height bow.  I bought one as a compliment to the MR6.  Really, this is what I was hoping the Creed was going to be last year.  It tuned easy and shoots just as accurately out to 70yrds as the MR6.  It does have more post shot vibe and a little more noise.  Definitely not the vibe free, quiet bow that the MR6 is but certainly close.

    This leads me to the Chill R.  I shot it with 28.5″ cams and it drew 28.75″.  In this respect it is much truer to it’s actual draw length than I experienced with my MR6.  I shot it at 67lbs (to see what it felt like close to max) and 63lbs (to have a comparison to my two current bows)

    The first thing I noticed was how light and well balanced it felt compared to the MR6.  Reminded me of what I liked about the New Breed in that respect.  The draw to me feels a bit stiffer up front than the MR6 but very smooth and consistent all the way to the back wall. The back wall on the Chill R is also much firmer than the MR6 but obviously not as hard as a bow with dual limb draw stops like the New Breed has.  I didn’t notice the slight dump into the valley like I do with the MR6.  For me it was just a straight pull back all the way till it hit the back wall and again is this respect it reminded me of what I like about the New Breed.

    On the shot it was great.  No wanting to fall forward fast like the MR6.  It was quiet and just the slightest hint of vibe after the shot.  The bow had a QAD HDx rest and a loop.  No peep, sights, stabilizer, etc.

    My thoughts: Likes
    – Light and much better balanced than the MR6.
    – Stiffer initial draw than the MR6 but smooth all the way to a much more solid back wall.
    – Quiet and nearly vibe free on the shot.  No wanting fall forward and little if any kick.

    The only thing I can say that I am unsure I like is it is basically a 6″ brace height bow but shooting 10-15fps slower than the MR6.  To be fair, I didn’t run it through a chrono so am basing this off of advertised specs.

    I will probably go shoot the bow again at some point.  My initial impression is it is a great bow but not great enough to get me to sell the MR6 or the New Breed.  If I hadn’t shot and bought the New Breed or didn’t already have an MR6, I would highly consider it.  If it was in the 350+ range like the MR6 I would probably replace the MR6.  But, I have two great bows that I trust so I can be picky about what it will take to make me move on from them.

    I realize so much of this is subjective and each shooter is going to feel something different and the way each bow is tuned will make it feel different but thought I would share my impression.

    November 18, 2013 at 10:32 am #606210 Back to Top REPORT
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    This leads me to the Chill R. I shot it with 28.5″ cams and it drew 28.75″. In this respect it is much truer to it’s actual draw length than I 

    My thoughts: Likes
    – Light and much better balanced than the MR6.
    – Stiffer initial draw than the MR6 but smooth all the way to a much more solid back wall.
    – Quiet and nearly vibe free on the shot. No wanting fall forward and little if any kick.

    The only thing I can say that I am unsure I like is it is basically a 6″ brace height bow but shooting 10-15fps slower than the MR6. To be fair, I didn’t run it through a chrono so am basing this off of advertised specs.

     

    I agree with you and thank you for sharing your review. {#emotions_dlg.mathews_thumbs_up}

    I think the shorter (more accurate) draw length is another Like for me. The Balance part is another Like for me. I had to go shoot it twice to be sure I was not on a first impression basis with my LIKES. I went and shot two different Chill R at two different bow shops and got the same LIKES from both bows. This bow won’t replace my MR7 but it will bump my Z7 mag out of my stable, maybe.

    November 18, 2013 at 11:59 am #606224 Back to Top REPORT
    straightedge123
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    Nice review StraightEdge….{#emotions_dlg.mathews_thumbs_up}
    I think we are finding that Mathews did put out two very nice bows. The Creed xs did not answer the call for what most of us solo cam fans were in hopes of. Obviously enough said about that….
    The Chill R on the other hand did go the direction most wanted. A longer ATA than last years new Monster modlewith some speed to boot. I dont know why we are getting a variety of FPS differance in our tests however. I found the Chill R to be “probably” faster than the IBO by a little…some are finding it the same as advertised….while some others are finding it a litle short on the advertised IBO. Althoughour over all differance would not show up in field use where our sight pins are concerned…..

     

     
    I was concerned with the speed I came up with on the ChillR as well.  I used all the normal deductions for speed differences that I am used to:  10 fps for each inch of draw length,  2 fps for each pound of draw weight,  weight of arrow difference from 350g divided by 3, weight on the string divided by 3, and still came up short on IBO.   Draw weight was as close as I could get it to 60#. The issue could be in the bow efficiency for the arrow weight.  I checked the cam to be sure it was a 28″ draw.  I wouldn’t mind if someone checked behind me.

     

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    November 18, 2013 at 1:42 pm #606268 Back to Top REPORT
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    Nice review StraightEdge….{#emotions_dlg.mathews_thumbs_up}
    I think we are finding that Mathews did put out two very nice bows. The Creed xs did not answer the call for what most of us solo cam fans were in hopes of. Obviously enough said about that….
    The Chill R on the other hand did go the direction most wanted. A longer ATA than last years new Monster modlewith some speed to boot. I dont know why we are getting a variety of FPS differance in our tests however. I found the Chill R to be “probably” faster than the IBO by a little…some are finding it the same as advertised….while some others are finding it a litle short on the advertised IBO. Althoughour over all differance would not show up in field use where our sight pins are concerned…..
    I was concerned with the speed I came up with on the ChillR as well. I used all the normal deductions for speed differences that I am used to: 10 fps for each inch of draw length, 2 fps for each pound of draw weight, weight of arrow difference from 350g divided by 3, weight on the stringdivided by 3, and still came up short on IBO. Draw weight was as close as I could get it to 60#.The issue could be in the bow efficiency for the arrow weight. I checked the cam to be sure it was a 28″ draw. I wouldn’t mind if someone checked behind me.

     

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    I figured your numbers again just to see how they size up. The Chill R is rated at 342 IBO, less the following numbers: 33 FPS for arrow weight, 20 FPS draw length(28″ from 30″), 10 FPS for poundage difference (60# from 70# test weight), 8 FPS for two monkey tails and a d-loop(could be +- 1 fps) and 10 FPS shooting through a whisker biscuit. I’m at 261 to 259 FPS using these calculations and to me that is at IBO testing for the Chill R. If my number are off please feel free to correct them.

    November 18, 2013 at 8:44 pm #606382 Back to Top REPORT

    NDS

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    This leads me to the Chill R. I shot it with 28.5″ cams and it drew 28.75″. In this respect it is much truer to it’s actual draw length than I

    My thoughts: Likes
    – Light and much better balanced than the MR6.
    – Stiffer initial draw than the MR6 but smooth all the way to a much more solid back wall.
    – Quiet and nearly vibe free on the shot. No wanting fall forward and little if any kick.

    The only thing I can say that I am unsure I like is it is basically a 6″ brace height bow but shooting 10-15fps slower than the MR6. To be fair, I didn’t run it through a chrono so am basing this off of advertised specs.

     

    I agree with you and thank you for sharing your review. {#emotions_dlg.mathews_thumbs_up}

    I think the shorter (more accurate) draw length is another Like for me. The Balance part is another Like for me. I had to go shoot it twice to be sure I was not on a first impression basis with my LIKES. I went and shot two different Chill R at two different bow shops and got the same LIKES from both bows. This bow won’t replace my MR7 but it will bump my Z7 mag out of my stable, maybe.

    I forgot to add the more accurate draw length part which is a definite like in my book.  In fact the the inconsistent draw length issue is one of the reasons I really like my other brand bow.  It is dead on and consistent.  The one Chill R that I got to shoot was much better in this respect the my Dxt or MR6.
    Thanks for pointing that out.  Not sure why I forgot to put that under my likes.

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