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  • February 27, 2014 at 8:02 pm #620839 Back to Top REPORT

    italianredneck

    Joined: 2/22/2008
    just a quick question my draw length is 25 almost 25.5 is it possible to get a helium with a 26 inch cam to go to my draw length by twisting the string and or cables. or will i be opening a can of worms and issues with the bow`s performance
    February 27, 2014 at 8:26 pm #620840 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
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    I think working with the string and cables would be a mistake. First, it is likely the bow will not meet IBO spec equivalent speed after being ‘short stringed’ and using longer than spec cable might prevent it from making rated DW, and secondly, it’ll require some tinkering to come up with the custom string and cable lengths.

    You might be better off going with a custom grip that sets the pivot point a 1/2″ farther back, plus using a trigger forward release, and even shooting off the string instead of using a D-Loop if you need to shorten up more.

    March 1, 2014 at 7:38 pm #620977 Back to Top REPORT
    99fatboy
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    Get the correct cam, that’s why they make them!!!!
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    March 1, 2014 at 9:44 pm #620986 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
    gjarcher

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    Get the correct cam…

    Can he get a a 25 or 25.5 inch cam for the HeliM?

    If it is possible, I agree that would be the best solution for a 25″ ~ 25.5″ DL.

    March 2, 2014 at 7:05 am #620994 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
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    FWIW, if you are looking to buy, check out the Jewel. It is as fast if not a tad faster at your DL than the HeliM, only weights 1.5 oz more, and comes in your DL. The down side to the Jewel  for some is that its max DW is 60# and ATA is 28″ and no draw stop.

    Another option might be the Conquest Prestige. You might still be able to find a new one since it was only recently discontinued, but most likely you’ll have to shop outside your dealer’s area. The Prestige is just as fast as the HeliM at your DL, weighs only 6 oz more than the HeliM, and has a very generous 35.5″ ATA.

    March 2, 2014 at 9:22 am #621007 Back to Top REPORT
    socalmonster09
    socalmonster09

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    I know you maybe looking for a light bow, but have you looked at the MR5, It’s a great bow for short draw length.
    I’m 25″ draw and have two. one for target and the other is for hunting . this bow is heavy but rock solid.  I think
    the Jewel would be great bow but not in pink lol
    MR5 Black #60 25"dl MR5 Camo #60 25"dl
    March 2, 2014 at 10:52 am #621009 Back to Top REPORT
    99fatboy
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    Get the correct cam…

    Can he get a a 25 or 25.5 inch cam for the HeliM?

    If it is possible, I agree that would be the best solution for a 25″ ~ 25.5″ DL.

    ha, that was dumb of me!!!! No, you can’t, shortest is 26″ for the heli m for whatever reason. Sorry!

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    March 3, 2014 at 9:35 am #621136 Back to Top REPORT

    italianredneck

    Joined: 2/22/2008
    thanks for the input i think i`m going to try  an mr5 to see how it feels and a jewel as long as no one i know sees me lol
    March 3, 2014 at 10:35 am #621143 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
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    I believe the Jewel is available in ‘manly’ Tactical, All-Black, and Lost Camo. I wouldn’t let the fact that the Jewel is marketed as a “Lady’s” bow put you off. I was shooting at my club with a couple, she had a Jewel, he had an Z7 Extreme … she was piling up the points while he was ranting. Since they were about the same height, I suggested he try shooting her Jewel, after a few shots he was asking what he could get for trade-in on the Z7 Extreme.

    I shoot the original Monster at 60#/28.5″, with bowquiver and four 492-gr arrows, its configured weight is  right at 7 lbs, about the same as my scoped Winchester M70 .30-06. I hike about 1 to 1.5 miles to a treestand/groundblind and don’t find the weight an issue. The only time I wish I had a lighter weight bow was hunting NM spot-N-stalk in which I covered almost 10 miles over some steep terrain.

    With a 6 gr/lb arrow shooting 60#/25.5″, you could expect:
    Jewel: 254 fps, 52 KE
    ChillR: 260 fps, 54 KE
    MR5: 273 fps, 60 KE

    With the ChillR and MR5 set at 70#/25.5″, shooting a 6 gr/lb arrow you could expect:
    ChillR: 262, 64 KE
    MR5: 276, 71.5  KE

    … definitely shoot the ChillR and MR5. Hope this helps … {#emotions_dlg.mathews_peace}

    March 3, 2014 at 10:40 am #621144 Back to Top REPORT
    q2hunter
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    Both the Jewel and MR5 would be great bows to try out, and not intentionally trying to steer you away from Mathews, but may want to take a look at the Bowtech Assassin SD.  I shoot Mathews, my son and daughter both shoot missions, but my wife chose the Assassin SD over the Jewel.  They were both sweet, but both she and I agreed on the “more” adjustable Assassin.
    March 3, 2014 at 11:03 am #621148 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
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    I don’t usually recommend other brand bows unless they offer something that Mathews does not. In this case, BowTech offers a carbon composite riser. If I were to recommend trying a short draw BowTech, I’d recommend trying the Carbon Overdrive 25″ ~ 30″ DL.

    The Carbon Overdrive is similar in speed, draw cycle, and MSRP to the ChillR, but does only weigh in at 3.3 lbs due to the carbon composite riser. However, the Carbon Overdrive has more reflex in the riser and I think you’ll find the ChillR with less reflex holds steadier and is more forgiving.

    I wish Mathews would get into making the carbon risers … {#emotions_dlg.mathews_praying}{#emotions_dlg.mathews_wink}

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