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  • July 4, 2011 at 1:36 am #496595 Back to Top REPORT
    henro
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    I have 2 different arrow setups built and haven’t made a choice yet as to which I’m going to stick with. Here’s the specs on the arrows:
    Easton FMJ 300s @ 27″ material length
    550.9 grains @ 273fps
    91.1 ft/lbs of kinetic energy and .667 momentum
    Gold Tip Kinetic 300s @ 27″ material length
    484.6 grains @ 290fps
    90.4 ft/lbs of kinetic energy and .623 momentum

    What would you guys choose out of the 2? I don’t think either is a bad choice. They both have 5″ relective wraps and nockturals. The FMJ’s have 50gr brass inserts and 125gr heads and the Kinetics have their standard inserts with 125gr heads.

    According the OT2 the Kinetics are in the green for my Monster at 70lbs with the hunting filter on and the FMJ’s are slightly weak by 0.018. The Kinetic’s F.O.C. is 12.87% and the FMJ’s is 12.47%. I could make the FMJ’s stiffer and put them in the green with 100gr tips(125gr now) but F.O.C. will drop to under 10% so I’ll keep the penetration.

    FMJs

    Kinetics

    I went to the range today to see how both shafts liked broadheads armed with G5 Montec 125s. I usually shoot Rage 125s but have thought about trying a fixed head and like the idea of a solid one piece design. As you can see from the pics at 20 yards both shafts shot very well with the Montecs. It was very humid today and I was getting tired by the time I was shooting at 40 yards so I only shot one group at that distance. I’d say both shot very well though considering the conditions.

    20 yards

    40 yards

    Mathews MR5 29"@70lbs 620gr @ 261fps Victory VAP250 w/ SS insert & 190gr Steelforce Single Bevel African Phathead 22.75% FOC Elite Judge 29"@70lbs "When it comes to hits try for the best but prepare for the worst." Dr. Ashby
    July 4, 2011 at 1:26 pm #533156 Back to Top REPORT
    henro
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    One thing to mention, and it could’ve just been me getting tired, but it seemed like the FMJ’s were slightly more forgiving. I wasn’t at my best shooting so I don’t want to make a big deal out of it but it felt like little twitches in my shot were more apparent with the Kinetics.
    Mathews MR5 29"@70lbs 620gr @ 261fps Victory VAP250 w/ SS insert & 190gr Steelforce Single Bevel African Phathead 22.75% FOC Elite Judge 29"@70lbs "When it comes to hits try for the best but prepare for the worst." Dr. Ashby
    July 4, 2011 at 2:01 pm #533157 Back to Top REPORT
    ohio-swb
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    can i ask why are you putting 50 gr brass and 125 gr broadhead ??
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    July 4, 2011 at 2:03 pm #533158 Back to Top REPORT
    henro
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    can i ask why are you putting 50 gr brass and 125 gr broadhead ??

    To bring the F.O.C. up. If I didn’t it would be around 9%. I shot this arrow setup last year with my Z7 and it performed awesome. The penetration is great.

    Mathews MR5 29"@70lbs 620gr @ 261fps Victory VAP250 w/ SS insert & 190gr Steelforce Single Bevel African Phathead 22.75% FOC Elite Judge 29"@70lbs "When it comes to hits try for the best but prepare for the worst." Dr. Ashby
    July 4, 2011 at 2:08 pm #533159 Back to Top REPORT
    ohio-swb
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    can i ask why are you putting 50 gr brass and 125 gr broadhead ??

    To bring the F.O.C. up. If I didn’t it would be around 9%. I shot this arrow setup last year with my Z7 and it performed awesome. The penetration is great.[/quote:5bfhnk37]

    oh i see but 550.9 is alot weight for me .

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    July 4, 2011 at 2:10 pm #533160 Back to Top REPORT
    henro
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    can i ask why are you putting 50 gr brass and 125 gr broadhead ??

    To bring the F.O.C. up. If I didn’t it would be around 9%. I shot this arrow setup last year with my Z7 and it performed awesome. The penetration is great.[/quote:39myzf83]

    oh i see but 550.9 is alot weight for me .[/quote:39myzf83]

    I took a half inch off, last year they were 560. Don’t be afraid of the weight, it’s so much quieter and carries so much more energy.

    Mathews MR5 29"@70lbs 620gr @ 261fps Victory VAP250 w/ SS insert & 190gr Steelforce Single Bevel African Phathead 22.75% FOC Elite Judge 29"@70lbs "When it comes to hits try for the best but prepare for the worst." Dr. Ashby
    July 4, 2011 at 2:17 pm #533161 Back to Top REPORT
    ohio-swb
    Ohio SWB

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    i aint afraid :D my total 447 ,@63lb
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    July 4, 2011 at 5:22 pm #533162 Back to Top REPORT

    Deerman#10

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    The Gold Tips seemed to be the most consistent, and IMO the are a stronger, and better arrow. The Eastons are great too, but I would go with the Gold Tips. :thumbup
    July 4, 2011 at 8:39 pm #533163 Back to Top REPORT
    pa_mathews_man
    PA_MATHEWS_MAN

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    Eastons IMHO… Never cared for GT’s [=}=]
    July 5, 2011 at 12:01 pm #533164 Back to Top REPORT
    ngabowhunter
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    never shot neither, I shoot the bemans ICS camo hunters, there awesome
    July 5, 2011 at 1:59 pm #533165 Back to Top REPORT
    bow-drawn
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    For what is worth both are just a great setup imho but my GT 300 Kinetics fly great and very tuff. Mine weigh in at 480 gr and fly great out my M7 and MR7 set at 69#. I’ve shot one through a 1/2″ pressure treated fence board with out a blemish, can’t say that about the wrap and fletching though. :^O :^O :^O :^O I had to refletch after that test shot.
    July 6, 2011 at 3:56 am #533166 Back to Top REPORT
    henro
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    This thread’s not helping at 9-9 lol… The “other” site is 21-13 for the Easton’s…
    Mathews MR5 29"@70lbs 620gr @ 261fps Victory VAP250 w/ SS insert & 190gr Steelforce Single Bevel African Phathead 22.75% FOC Elite Judge 29"@70lbs "When it comes to hits try for the best but prepare for the worst." Dr. Ashby
    July 6, 2011 at 4:39 am #533167 Back to Top REPORT
    steve-walters
    Steve Walters

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    Both are quality shaft, with very good tolerances with outstanding reputations. So this is mute.

    Both would pass threw three deer standing next to each other with that much KE/MO. So this is mute.

    Both are extremely durable. Both would last until violently broke or lost. So this is Mute.

    Both have similar FOC. So this is Mute.

    Both have similar priced. So this is Mute.

    The only difference I really see is the speed difference. So then the next question is what type/style of hunting you plan on doing with them? And how long your average shot is. And would the faster arrow give you any additional advantage? Out here in the West, I would go with the faster arrow. But my average shots are in the 40-60 yard range, typically with steep(er) angles involved. Really at that speed your only taking a few inches difference (High/Low) at 40 yards. But that could mean a high lung hit, vs a center lung on a deer size animal. Both are dead, but ones a little easier, and shorter tracking job.

    July 6, 2011 at 5:59 am #533168 Back to Top REPORT
    henro
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    I’m hunting here in NJ on the east coast so most of the time 40-50 yards is your max distance to shoot. I wouldn’t say the speed difference is a giant concern to me as last year I was shooting these FMJ’s with my Z7 I sold at 253fps. I had a nice pin gap and just yardages wasn’t a problem. I might have an opportunity to bow hunt Illinois this year with my brother and I know the deer there are much bigger.

    Right now I’m leaning towards the FMJ’s:
    -More momentum
    -Seemed to be more forgiving in terms of accuracy
    -Easier to pull out of targets
    -My brother and I had great results with them last year

    I’m gonna wait to shoot them again in some nicer weather than last time before I make a decision.

    Mathews MR5 29"@70lbs 620gr @ 261fps Victory VAP250 w/ SS insert & 190gr Steelforce Single Bevel African Phathead 22.75% FOC Elite Judge 29"@70lbs "When it comes to hits try for the best but prepare for the worst." Dr. Ashby
    July 6, 2011 at 4:36 pm #533169 Back to Top REPORT
    backhalfed
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    FMJ’s :thumbup
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