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  • June 18, 2007 at 2:24 pm #495540 Back to Top REPORT
    pimpnit869
    Pimpnit869

    Joined: 8/7/2006
    Hello forum members and guests! Do you think the gas prices are too high and would you like to them to go down? I am Active Duty Air Force and these prices are going to send my family and I to the poor house as well as many other military members and civilians too so we have to do something about it we have to work together. We need to all boycott the biggest gas and oil company out there Exxon and Shell which have recently merged. We need to stop buying gas from them until the price goes below $2.00. We need to start a price war. If one person keeps buying from Exxon/Shell they keep pressing the prices up. If we all stop buying from them they will lower there prices. PLEASE join the ban wagon and help you and I afford gas again.

    Please if you jump on this wagon tell ten people by mouth,email,letter how ever you can get the word out the more we tell the more we save.

    Thanks SSgt Jaime V USAF

    June 18, 2007 at 2:37 pm #513201 Back to Top REPORT
    tropicalfruitmom
    Tropicalfruitmom

    Joined: 8/6/2004
    Before lambasting the oil companies, take a close look at the breakdown of who gets what part of the sale of a gallon of gas. You will find that the oil companies don’t get that much. Your state government makes the most money off of taxes on gas. Try boycotting your state government!

    BTW – there is a possibility I could be moving to Henderson, NV. We’ll have to go shooting if I do.

    June 18, 2007 at 2:53 pm #513202 Back to Top REPORT
    indychris
    Indychris

    Joined: 6/22/2004
    Personally, I think you’re wagon is broken. [-X

    To assume that there is price fixing in the oil industry indicates, IMO, that there is a massive collective ignorance about economics in general and about the oil industry.

    Do you have any idea how many oil companies exist? Do you understand that there are many factors that impact the pricing of oil? How many levels of collusion would have to take place in order to fix gas prices? There are the nation/state owned producers, the companies that actually drill the oil, refineries, company-owned gas companies, local gas companies, etc. It is simply unimaginable that ALL of these entities are working TOGETHER (many of whom HATE each other!) to collectively raise prices.

    I heard an interview with someone in the refining business explaining why there have not been any refineries built in the USA in more than 20 years. Did you know that it would take a 10-20 Billion dollar investment to build EACH new refinery? And, it would take 15-20 years at current fuel prices to recoup the cost of the refinery before a profit is even made. Add to that the layers of bureaucracy , EPA restrictions, and all of the environmental groups concerned about displacing some endangered mosquito, and there is no wonder that we can’t keep up with our refinery needs.

    Sorry to rant, but in short, NO, I won’t be joining the parade. It’s purely symbolic and won’t have any effect.

    [=}=]

    June 18, 2007 at 3:09 pm #513203 Back to Top REPORT
    pimpnit869
    Pimpnit869

    Joined: 8/7/2006

    Personally, I think you’re wagon is broken. [-X

    To assume that there is price fixing in the oil industry indicates, IMO, that there is a massive collective ignorance about economics in general and about the oil industry.

    Do you have any idea how many oil companies exist? Do you understand that there are many factors that impact the pricing of oil? How many levels of collusion would have to take place in order to fix gas prices? There are the nation/state owned producers, the companies that actually drill the oil, refineries, company-owned gas companies, local gas companies, etc. It is simply unimaginable that ALL of these entities are working TOGETHER (many of whom HATE each other!) to collectively raise prices.

    I heard an interview with someone in the refining business explaining why there have not been any refineries built in the USA in more than 20 years. Did you know that it would take a 10-20 Billion dollar investment to build EACH new refinery? And, it would take 15-20 years at current fuel prices to recoup the cost of the refinery before a profit is even made. Add to that the layers of bureaucracy , EPA restrictions, and all of the environmental groups concerned about displacing some endangered mosquito, and there is no wonder that we can’t keep up with our refinery needs.

    Sorry to rant, but in short, NO, I won’t be joining the parade. It’s purely symbolic and won’t have any effect.

    [=}=][/quote:2ysdahfr]

    So in short you don’t thing if everyone across the US stopped buying gas from a certain company that they would not lower there price to get us to start buying from them again? I look for deals everyday on this and that. If I found blazer vanes $3.00 cheaper at company A than company B and I told everyone hear about it and we all started buying from company A you don’t think company B would lower there price to compete and stay in business? come on now you have to see that “supply and demand” can work in our favor if we play our cards right!!!!!

    Jay

    June 18, 2007 at 3:50 pm #513204 Back to Top REPORT
    fats
    Fats

    Joined: 6/27/2005
    Location: In the evening shadow of oona-pa'is
    So we stop buying gas from Exxon and Shell… The demand at the other pumps go up! They need to buy more gas so… they buy up Shell’s allotment that comes from the refinery at a slightly higher price and Shell and Exxon still make their money.

    If you want to play “Supply and Demand” you have to change a global supply or a global demand. All oil complanies buy the same gas from the same refineries. They put their “additives” in right before it gets to the “truck” It’s all the same gas. If you believe differently, you’ve bought into their advertising. The additives will be different but the petroleum is the same.

    It’s a global issue. Is their collusion going on? I’d put money on it but good luck proving it! The fact that is is 10 to 20 billion dollars to build a new refinery keeps the field in the status quo. There is not much you can do except promote conservation or move to a different fuel.

    I like you spirit but the plan is flawed.

    [=}=] 8D

    June 18, 2007 at 3:53 pm #513205 Back to Top REPORT
    fats
    Fats

    Joined: 6/27/2005
    Location: In the evening shadow of oona-pa'is
    Oh yeah, you’re poll could have used some different options. I care about gas prices but I don’t think your idea will work. I voted that I don’t care. Not enough options.
    June 18, 2007 at 4:15 pm #513206 Back to Top REPORT
    tropicalfruitmom
    Tropicalfruitmom

    Joined: 8/6/2004
    Another thing to help with gas prices: cut down on the blends! In my county alone, there are 7 different blends of gas!! :shock: This community requires this blend, that one another and a third community another blend. Gas station A carries this blend while gas station B across the street, in a different community, carries a different blend. If the blends are cut down by region, it will help a lot.
    June 18, 2007 at 4:59 pm #513207 Back to Top REPORT
    big-b
    Big B

    Joined: 1/23/2005
    Saying that oil companies aren’t making that much money is a bunch of crap. The CEO of exxon makes over 30 million dollars a year. The oil profits for earlier this year were something like 80 billion dollars. To say that they ARE NOT getting that much of the cut is a bunch of crap.
    June 18, 2007 at 5:12 pm #513208 Back to Top REPORT

    Beehaw

    Joined: 3/28/2007
    Saying that oil companies aren’t making that much money is a bunch of crap. The CEO of exxon makes over 30 million dollars a year. The oil profits for earlier this year were something like 80 billion dollars. To say that they ARE NOT getting that much of the cut is a bunch of crap.

    I think what he said was that much of the profit per gallon. They are making about .10 a gallon profit, but the total profit dollars have gone up because gas sales are at an all time high.

    The federal government gets about .28 per gallon in taxes, so you can always look at the gas company profits and know the government made between 2 and 3 times as much; all while investing absoloutely nothing.

    June 18, 2007 at 5:59 pm #513209 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
    gjarcher

    Age: 71
    Joined: 10/3/2006
    Location: Colorado
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    FATS is right…its a misconceived, pointless, economic policy unless it was thought up by Hugo Chavez.

    30 years ago gas was something like 80¢ a gallon. Now its 4 times higher. That’s still a bargain. Compare gas prices to other commodities like homes, cars, food, etc, and you’ll see that $3.20/gal is not out of line. In fact, gas has been such a good buy for so long we’ve become use to all the gas we want…like little over fed pigs at the trough. Maybe its time to get serious about our energy consumption and management, and we don’t need no stinking Global Warming scare-theory to know pollution is bad.

    If you believe your economic theory, you could start boycotting the BX service station, and drive down base gas prices, eh?

    If you want cheaper gas prices right now, convince your Congressman and Senator, and State Legislature, to reduce taxes on it…. :^O :^O :^O :^O :^O :^O :^O

    June 18, 2007 at 6:40 pm #513210 Back to Top REPORT
    pimpnit869
    Pimpnit869

    Joined: 8/7/2006

    FATS is right…its a misconceived, pointless, economic policy unless it was thought up by Hugo Chavez.

    30 years ago gas was something like 80¢ a gallon. Now its 4 times higher. That’s still a bargain. Compare gas prices to other commodities like homes, cars, food, etc, and you’ll see that $3.20/gal is not out of line. In fact, gas has been such a good buy for so long we’ve become use to all the gas we want…like little over fed pigs at the trough. Maybe its time to get serious about our energy consumption and management, and we don’t need no stinking Global Warming scare-theory to know pollution is bad.

    If you believe your economic theory, you could start boycotting the BX service station, and drive down base gas prices, eh?

    If you want cheaper gas prices right now, convince your Congressman and Senator, and State Legislature, to reduce taxes on it…. :^O :^O :^O :^O :^O :^O :^O[/quote:10154llt]

    I already boycott the Base service station gas because it too is too pricey compared to the outside. And still it sounds like most of the people here are willing to just keep paying and not try something different to make an impact. Just keep putting billions of dollars in the CEO of Exxon’s pocket. We need to start some where and this seemed to be a good place to start. Also I didn’t mean for this to be a argumentitive post but more of a lets try something to help us out cause no one else is listening to us maybe they will if there not making the BILLIONS of dollars any more!

    Thanks Jay

    June 18, 2007 at 7:30 pm #513211 Back to Top REPORT
    indychris
    Indychris

    Joined: 6/22/2004

    Personally, I think you’re wagon is broken. [-X

    To assume that there is price fixing in the oil industry indicates, IMO, that there is a massive collective ignorance about economics in general and about the oil industry.

    Do you have any idea how many oil companies exist? Do you understand that there are many factors that impact the pricing of oil? How many levels of collusion would have to take place in order to fix gas prices? There are the nation/state owned producers, the companies that actually drill the oil, refineries, company-owned gas companies, local gas companies, etc. It is simply unimaginable that ALL of these entities are working TOGETHER (many of whom HATE each other!) to collectively raise prices.

    I heard an interview with someone in the refining business explaining why there have not been any refineries built in the USA in more than 20 years. Did you know that it would take a 10-20 Billion dollar investment to build EACH new refinery? And, it would take 15-20 years at current fuel prices to recoup the cost of the refinery before a profit is even made. Add to that the layers of bureaucracy , EPA restrictions, and all of the environmental groups concerned about displacing some endangered mosquito, and there is no wonder that we can’t keep up with our refinery needs.

    Sorry to rant, but in short, NO, I won’t be joining the parade. It’s purely symbolic and won’t have any effect.

    [=}=][/quote:3dok3evy]

    So in short you don’t thing if everyone across the US stopped buying gas from a certain company that they would not lower there price to get us to start buying from them again? I look for deals everyday on this and that. If I found blazer vanes $3.00 cheaper at company A than company B and I told everyone hear about it and we all started buying from company A you don’t think company B would lower there price to compete and stay in business? come on now you have to see that “supply and demand” can work in our favor if we play our cards right!!!!!

    Jay[/quote:3dok3evy]

    You’re absolutely right, I don’t think it will work. Obviously, all of these companies want to make money, That’s the point of business. If one of them thought they could lower the price by a few cents/gallon and own the market, they would. Chavez is the perfect example! With his hatred for capitalism and western freedom, if there was any way that he could manipulate things to hurt other companies (especially since he has already nationalized all of Venezuela’s petroleum), don’t you think he would have?

    Supply and demand is ALREADY at work. If you want to make long-term changes to make gasoline more affordable over the long-haul, then something needs to be done to simplify the process of getting oil out of US held interests, and making the process of creating more refineries simpler, faster & more economical (in other words, get the government OUT of the petroleum industry, not DEEPER in it!). In the meantime, if your plan was to actually go into effect on a national scale, then you would actually end up hurting the mom & pop stations more than you would the company as a whole.

    Just doesn’t add up in my book.

    [=}=]

    June 18, 2007 at 8:19 pm #513212 Back to Top REPORT
    shacklehunter
    shacklehunter

    Age: 42
    Joined: 3/1/2006
    Location: Pennsylvania
    Just say that everyone stopped buying gas for one week.The price might come down but I doubt it.If it did you can bet your bottom dollar they would bend you over twice as hard next week! #-oI will bet you they could hold out longer than us.
    June 18, 2007 at 9:16 pm #513213 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
    gjarcher

    Age: 71
    Joined: 10/3/2006
    Location: Colorado
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    And still it sounds like most of the people here are willing to just keep paying and not try something different to make an impact. Just keep putting billions of dollars in the CEO of Exxon’s pocket. We need to start some where and this seemed to be a good place to start. …[/quote:1mfokevg]

    #-o I put this in the same category of thinking as, “…we’ll never know if we can get to the top of the hill, unless we charge straight at the machineguns” ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

    “Seems like a good place to start…” is far removed from “Knowing where it will end…”

    This seems to be the dichotomy of your position and that of other member’s, who want a complete economic strategy, based on American ideals of free trade, with a reasonable expection of success, not some half-baked, feel-good approach based on limiting the corporate income of a CEO. If there is to be some socialist-Marxist movement to cap the income of certain people in certain positions, I want to start with putting all of our Senators and Congressmen on a minimum hourly wage scale…which is more than our Service men and women make on an hourly basis.

    There…I’m done [=}=]

    June 18, 2007 at 9:40 pm #513214 Back to Top REPORT
    jeff-k-in-il
    Jeff K in IL

    Age: 26
    Joined: 11/1/2005
    :^O :^O :^O :^O :^O

    This was like the May 15th gas boycott; it won’t work. In economics, there are Elastic and Inelastic items. Inelastic means, if the price rises the demand falls, therefore profit is lost because of the lack of demand. Elastic means, if the price rises, so does profit because of the demand of the product. Gas, oil etc. fits in the Elastic category, no matter how much the price goes up, it still needs to be consumed. So if gas goes down they still make billions if it goes up they still make billions.

    The ONLY way to reduce gas consumption and have the oil companies lose money is: an alternate source of energy like Hydrogen. And this idea can also be used for energy for our homes and such. Geothermal, Hydrogen, Wind and Water can produce the energy we need as a country… [=}=]

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