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  • April 23, 2013 at 12:01 pm #575159 Back to Top REPORT
    nc_thin_dawg
    NC Thin Dawg

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    Wearing the same shirt on Monday that he was suspended for last week.  Good for him!  I think the school is on thin ice even if his actions are at least a bit provocative. {#emotions_dlg.mathews_taunt}

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/23/dad-west-virginia-boy-arrested-over-nra-shirt-says-****-fight-punishment/

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learnt something from yesterday." John Wayne
    April 23, 2013 at 12:05 pm #575160 Back to Top REPORT
    nc_thin_dawg
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    Wearing the same shirt on Monday that he was suspended for last week. Good for him! I think the school is on thin ice even if his actions are at least a bit provocative.{#emotions_dlg.mathews_taunt} 

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/23/dad-west-virginia-boy-arrested-over-nra-shirt-says-****-fight-punishment/

    Oh now that’s funny.  The webpage “…..says hewill fight punishment” with no contraction (i.e. he’ll) so it won’t work.  You get the idea though I think.  {#emotions_dlg.mathews_nerd}

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learnt something from yesterday." John Wayne
    April 23, 2013 at 12:14 pm #575166 Back to Top REPORT
    indychris
    Indychris

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    Well, if it wasn’t for your bad language, more people would be here! {#emotions_dlg.mathews_shame_on_you}

    {#emotions_dlg.mathews_tongue}

    I’ve been watching this story a bit since yesterday. It seems there’s a video somewhere that the police have seen. It would likely be very helpful in seeing exactly what transpired. I can’t figure out what an 8th grader could have possibly done that could be construed as “inciting a riot” as one of the policemen stated.

    The kid’s shirt never should have been an issue in the first place, even if he wore it to get attention. Hopefully the truth will come out soon that will reveal just where the shouting, etc. actually began.

    April 23, 2013 at 5:59 pm #575210 Back to Top REPORT
    chrisld
    ChrisLd

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    anybody have another link? the one posted doesnt work for me {#emotions_dlg.mathews_crying}
    April 23, 2013 at 6:41 pm #575217 Back to Top REPORT
    nc_thin_dawg
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    anybody have another link? the one posted doesnt work for me{#emotions_dlg.mathews_crying}

    This one should work…….

    http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/22/west-virginia-teen-returns-to-school-with-nra-shir/

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learnt something from yesterday." John Wayne
    April 23, 2013 at 7:09 pm #575231 Back to Top REPORT
    fats
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    First amendment rights are not guaranteed in school for kids, unless they are expressly written into the state’s education code.  California (surprise!) does guarantee freedom of speech on campus, unless it is causing a school disruption.  We do have qualifiers about drugs and alcohol and gang references… which are also granted to schools by the ed code.

    The “Bong Rips for Jesus” case out of Alaska was the last big tests of this and the courts found that the school could sensor what the students could say/wear…  unless it is expressly written into the ed code.  It has been a couple of years now, but that is the basic tilt of things if I remember correctly.

    The 4th amendment rights are not as iron clad at schools either… but that is a different case entirely.

    BTW… I’m not arguing the point one way or the other.  I’ve seen both sides of issues like this and news media seldom gets it right or tells the whole story, especially if the story can be sensationalized.  Just my experience…  I’d like to see all the information before I rush to judgement.

    My only real question is… did he wash the shirt?

    {#emotions_dlg.mathews_wink}

    April 24, 2013 at 7:36 am #575303 Back to Top REPORT
    nc_thin_dawg
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    First amendment rights are not guaranteed in school for kids, unless they are expressly written into the state’s education code.

    I figured you would bring some unique perspective on this topic but I’m surprised by your first sentence.  So what is the basis for denying students free speech on campus……..I will wholeheartedly agree that some kids should not have “free speech” until they’re at least 21 or until the frontal lobe develops fully, whichever comes first (I would call it the “joe biden rule”).

    I remember like yesterday my 6th grade “Civics” teacher writing on the board “Freedom is relative, not absolute”.   (Thanks for that lesson Coach Henderson and RIP!) {#emotions_dlg.mathews_thumbs_up}

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learnt something from yesterday." John Wayne
    April 24, 2013 at 8:13 am #575308 Back to Top REPORT
    indychris
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    What I don’t get, if schools are supposed to be this place where students are encouraged to learn, stretch their minds, engage in civics, etc., is how it has become such an abomination for a student to wear a shirt promoting a socio-political idea without vulgarity or attack? It just seems that the entire concept should be anathema to those educators who claim to be “open-minded” and who typically get all excited about the “free flow of ideas.”

    First amendment rights are not guaranteed in school for kids, unless they are expressly written into the state’s education code. California (surprise!) does guarantee freedom of speech on campus, unless it is causing a school disruption. We do have qualifiers about drugs and alcohol and gang references… which are also granted to schools by the ed code. 

    The “Bong Rips for Jesus” case out of Alaska was the last big tests of this and the courts found that the school could sensor what the students could say/wear… unless it is expressly written into the ed code. It has been a couple of years now, but that is the basic tilt of things if I remember correctly.

    The 4th amendment rights are not as iron clad at schools either… but that is a different case entirely.

    BTW… I’m not arguing the point one way or the other. I’ve seen both sides of issues like this and news media seldom gets it right or tells the whole story, especially if the story can be sensationalized. Just my experience… I’d like to see all the information before I rush to judgement.

    My only real question is… did he wash the shirt?

    {#emotions_dlg.mathews_wink}

    April 24, 2013 at 8:19 am #575309 Back to Top REPORT
    fats
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    First amendment rights are not guaranteed in school for kids, unless they are expressly written into the state’s education code.

    I figured you would bring some unique perspective on this topic but I’m surprised by your first sentence. So what is the basis for denying students free speech on campus……..I will wholeheartedly agree that some kids should not have “free speech” until they’re at least 21 or until the frontal lobe develops fully, whichever comes first (I would call it the “joe biden rule”). I remember like yesterday my 6th grade “Civics” teacher writing on the board “Freedom is relative, not absolute”.(Thanks for that lessonCoach Henderson and RIP!){#emotions_dlg.mathews_thumbs_up}

    It has to do with maintaining and order environment without disruption…  Some schools can push it really far and a “campus disruption” is a pretty darn vague phrase.  It is a catch all for “breaking the school rules.”  It can be abused… Common sense, can be a rare thing in schools…

    April 24, 2013 at 9:02 am #575327 Back to Top REPORT
    bow-drawn
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    April 24, 2013 at 5:17 pm #575400 Back to Top REPORT
    fats
    Fats

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    What I don’t get, if schools are supposed to be this place where students are encouraged to learn, stretch their minds, engage in civics, etc., is how it has become such an abomination for a student to wear a shirt promoting a socio-political idea without vulgarity or attack? It just seems that the entire concept should be anathema to those educators who claim to be “open-minded” and who typically get all excited about the “free flow of ideas.”

    First amendment rights are not guaranteed in school for kids, unless they are expressly written into the state’s education code. California (surprise!) does guarantee freedom of speech on campus, unless it is causing a school disruption. We do have qualifiers about drugs and alcohol and gang references… which are also granted to schools by the ed code. 

    The “Bong Rips for Jesus” case out of Alaska was the last big tests of this and the courts found that the school could sensor what the students could say/wear… unless it is expressly written into the ed code. It has been a couple of years now, but that is the basic tilt of things if I remember correctly.

    The 4th amendment rights are not as iron clad at schools either… but that is a different case entirely.

    BTW… I’m not arguing the point one way or the other. I’ve seen both sides of issues like this and news media seldom gets it right or tells the whole story, especially if the story can be sensationalized. Just my experience… I’d like to see all the information before I rush to judgement.

    My only real question is… did he wash the shirt?

    {#emotions_dlg.mathews_wink}

    I tend to agree with you… but advocating an “open” policy means it needs to be open equally to all sides which gets you in trouble in it’s own right.  I don’t think the school should have made a fuss over it…  I get to deal with teacher over-reactions all the time.  I’ll re-iterate my statement that I’d like to see both sides of the story before I make my judgment.  News agencies rarely get it right when they report on sensational stuff…  Without all the details, you just react to the spin that you want to react to.

    {#emotions_dlg.mathews_peace}

    April 24, 2013 at 6:13 pm #575412 Back to Top REPORT
    nc_thin_dawg
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    That’s true but we almost never have all the facts. Chances are at some point someone will say that they can’t talk about the settlement due to terms of the settlement….blah..blah…blah.

    My contention is that he should have never been asked to remove the shirt in the first place. There would have been no story though right! {#emotions_dlg.mathews_peace}

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learnt something from yesterday." John Wayne
    April 24, 2013 at 6:50 pm #575429 Back to Top REPORT
    fats
    Fats

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    That is probably true…
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