For 2014 what do you think Matt has up his sleeve.

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  • September 19, 2013 at 4:07 pm #595631 Back to Top REPORT

    MX9799

    Joined: 5/7/2008

    Here is something to ponder … dealers are being told the Z7 Magnum, Prestige, MR6, and MR7 are to be discontinued and to get orders in by 31 Oct. 

    Maybe a longer ATA solocam is the replacement for the Z7 Mag and Prestige?

    Maybe a new model AVS system with different base cams and riser?

    Man, it would be nice to know what the new bows were going to be before the deadline to order one of the bows that are to be discontinued……

    You’d think they would introduce new bows before placing a deadline on orders for the discontinued ones.

    September 19, 2013 at 6:17 pm #595634 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
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    Yeah, I hear ya’ … but it don’t work that way.

    If I knew what the 2013 Chevy Suburban was going to be like, I wouldn’t have bought the 2012. Then, again if I knew what the 2014 Suburban was going to be like, I wouldn’t have bought the 2013. {#emotions_dlg.mathews_wink}

    September 19, 2013 at 8:25 pm #595647 Back to Top REPORT

    MX9799

    Joined: 5/7/2008

    Yeah, I hear ya’ … but it don’t work that way. 

    If I knew what the 2013 Chevy Suburban was going to be like, I wouldn’t have bought the 2012. Then, again if I knew what the 2014 Suburban was going to be like, I wouldn’t have bought the 2013. {#emotions_dlg.mathews_wink}

    But what if GM was going to discontinue the Suburban in 2014…..

    Oh well, I guess if I don’t like the MR7 replacement I could always find a used one somewhere for my 3D bow.

    September 19, 2013 at 8:41 pm #595650 Back to Top REPORT
    statedriller
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    Yeah, I hear ya’ … but it don’t work that way.

    If I knew what the 2013 Chevy Suburban was going to be like, I wouldn’t have bought the 2012. Then, again if I knew what the 2014 Suburban was going to be like, I wouldn’t have bought the 2013. {#emotions_dlg.mathews_wink}

    But what if GM was going to discontinue the Suburban in 2014…..

    Oh well, I guess if I don’t like the MR7 replacement I could always find a used one somewhere for my 3D bow.

    A lots of shops will still have inventory on the shelves…

    The end is near....
    September 20, 2013 at 8:54 am #595666 Back to Top REPORT

    MX9799

    Joined: 5/7/2008

    Yeah, I hear ya’ … but it don’t work that way.

    If I knew what the 2013 Chevy Suburban was going to be like, I wouldn’t have bought the 2012. Then, again if I knew what the 2014 Suburban was going to be like, I wouldn’t have bought the 2013. {#emotions_dlg.mathews_wink}

    But what if GM was going to discontinue the Suburban in 2014…..

    Oh well, I guess if I don’t like the MR7 replacement I could always find a used one somewhere for my 3D bow.

    A lots of shops will still have inventory on the shelves…

    No doubt they will, but I doubt they’ll have what I want on the shelf.  Most shops around here only keep 29″ 70 pound bows on the racks….

     

    Finding a leftover 50 lb 28″ MR7 in a shop is about like looking for a needle in a hay stack.

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    September 20, 2013 at 9:29 am #595673 Back to Top REPORT
    striperday
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    A high performance cars best friend is the tools in a skilled mechanics hand.
    September 23, 2013 at 7:09 am #595965 Back to Top REPORT
    nys-buckstalker
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    Maybe bring back the Z7 Extreme except with a 28 in ATA , 6 – 6 1/2 brace height, shooting about 340-350 fps .
    September 24, 2013 at 9:23 am #596112 Back to Top REPORT
    turkeyslayer
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    34″+ ATA hunting bow, 6.5-7″ brace…draw stops, DL adjustable cam without a press.

    That’s my wish list.  Solocam or duel cam no preference.  Let’s say a bow with specs like the Carbon Matrix only with Mathews’ speed.

    September 26, 2013 at 7:27 pm #596476 Back to Top REPORT
    buckfever
    Buckfever

    Joined: 7/12/2004

    Here is something to ponder … dealers are being told the Z7 Magnum, Prestige, MR6, and MR7 are to be discontinued and to get orders in by 31 Oct. 

    Maybe a longer ATA solocam is the replacement for the Z7 Mag and Prestige?

    Maybe a new model AVS system with different base cams and riser?

    I sure hope so regarding a longer ATA solocam.

    On the second point given the success of the Chill it’s really what I would expect for them to capitalize on that refinement.

    September 26, 2013 at 9:05 pm #596494 Back to Top REPORT
    bowcrazy30-2
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    Im glad I got my MR7 This year then! Even though they discontinue the MR7, would I still be able to get limbs, & cams for the MR7? should I order some limbs and cams now? {#emotions_dlg.mathews}
    September 26, 2013 at 9:08 pm #596495 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
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    Limited Lifetime Warranty … you’ll be able to get limbs and cams, etc., but the options may be limited; that is, replacement limbs might be black only.
    September 26, 2013 at 9:09 pm #596496 Back to Top REPORT
    rickym
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    Im glad I got my MR7 This year then! Even though they discontinue the MR7, would I still be able to get limbs, & cams for the MR7? should I order some limbs and cams now?{#emotions_dlg.mathews}

    yep. Mathews isnt like most companies.. they still will make parts for all their bows ever produced.{#emotions_dlg.mathews_thumbs_up}

    September 27, 2013 at 4:40 am #596520 Back to Top REPORT
    bowcrazy30-2
    bowcrazy30

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    Thank You gjarcher, and RickM its good to know that Mathews still makes parts for all there bows even the ones they discontinue. I think I will order the 70 and 80lb limbs for my MR7 though so that I can still get them in Lost Camo.. Thanks again guys..{#emotions_dlg.mathews_monster_red}
    October 4, 2013 at 9:54 pm #597592 Back to Top REPORT

    Jammer

    Joined: 10/3/2013
    Location: Oklahoma

    Speed is not everything. It should be thethird or even lower demand out of your hunting bow. Consistancy and accuaracy are needed more than speed. You want to miss fast, wow what a story that is back at camp.
    Bow design is a science. Most dont know how to understand all that goes into a design. I am an engineer so I understand mechanical and parts design. There is always a trade in any design. Unless you throw all else out the window of reason and design something like you speed freaks want. A bow that shoots fast, only. A super fast bow can not be shot with any consistancy. As a matter of energy storage, the IBO Speed standards (70#, 30″, 5 grains/lb) puts a mathematical cap on the maximum amount of energy that a compound bow can store. I know this sounds anticlimactic, as we’re a culture of consumers who expect products to keep getting better, faster, more powerful, etc. But you must remember, the compound bow isn’t powered by an external fuel , battery, or a computer processor. Despite the high-tech talk and anodized gizmos, your compound bow is still a simple hand-drawn weapon. Its output can never exceed the input it gets from the human body. The human body and thebow provide hard mathematical limitations when looking for a very fast bow with anything close to target accuracy. So naturally, we can’t expect compound bows to perform faster and faster forever. At some point, the output of the bows will begin to approach the maximum input of ourhuman body and it’s influance in the shot, and then the speed race is over. This is the performance precipiceof fact when design meets paper. I regret saying this, but we’re essentially there now. A Super-Bow can’t waste much energy on friction, noise, vibration, etc.It needs every little ft-lb of energy to be stored by those limbs and then successfully transferred into that arrow. Ifit loses just 5% in the transfer (6.49 ft-lbs), we won’t have enough energy to make thesuper fast like 380 and morefps. We mustalso notmind a 0% let-off bow, and the harshest imaginable drawstroke (70# from start to finish).Ahigh 300to400 fps Bow will not be for the timid. But you would get your speed. Good luck being anywhere near accurate because you wont be. So, lets look at your need for speed from a realist side and be real. At what point willyou speed peoplesay a bow is “too aggressive” or “too harsh”? Where is that perfect blend where bowhunters will think a bow has plenty of speed while still feeling that the drawstroke is smooth and comfortable?The basic single and softer hybrid cams, such as theSolo Cam,with IBO Speeds in the 300-330 fps range. These cams are more aggressive than wheels, ramping to peak weight more quickly and then coming to full let-off more abruptly. So they tend to store up more energy and shoot notably faster. However, a Medium Cam is still generally acceptable to most shooters. Most shooters will describe this type of cam as “smooth drawing,” simply because peak weight doesn’t persist throughout much of the cycle. For bowhunting and general purpose use, this type of cam offers a good blend of feel and performance. In my opionion this blend is exactly where a archer should want to be for accurate bowhunting. But go ahead and miss faster if you want. For Mathews to design a bow in the 340 FPS for you they would need to make use of the newer Dyad system. It is not what most would call a hard cam.A Hard Cam system, optimized for maximum energy storage and speed. You will notice how quickly the bow ramps up to peak weight and how quickly it transitions to let-off. You will also notice the distinct high-plateau where the shooter must draw the bow over several inches at peak weight. This type of cam geometry will store dramatically more energy, and will usually have an IBO Speed of 340 fps or more. The downside is that Hard Cams feel harsh. This is where Mathews design helps even out the storage of energy with the Dyad system. If yourlooking for a new speed bow design from Mathews, look not to the solo cam for that 340 and more FPS mark you want. Sure they have a bow that is suppose to be 340 in IBO solo cam. The Z Mag is a “ok” bow, it is not a great bow. Anyone who has shot an MR AVS design series bow or even the new Dyad design on the Chill will appreciate how much better the speed is achieved in the over alldesign of the Monster series than the solo cam. The solo cam “speed” bow can’t match the over all preformance of a monster when shooting in the higher speeds. Ask Matt to give us another Monster Chill in the area of 6 inch brace with an ATA not less than 33 while pushing the arrow to 340 – 350. It will not be a great line shootbow, but it would be a bow accurate and fast for your bowhunting needs. If you want a Solo cam bow, which are great consistant, accuratehunting bows, be happy with the 330 IBO.

    Completely agree Topgun, but then again, I am an engineer too. I long ago tired of the stubby speed bows. Fortunately the longer ATA bows are still available in the form of  3D and target bows. Unfortunatly, all of the bow manufacturers are going to continue to pander to the lowest common denominator that are easily swayed by marketing hype and hyperbole.

    November 2, 2013 at 7:50 am #602461 Back to Top REPORT
    canuck
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    I hope this is what is up his sleeve….
    A Monster without the floating donut yoke and move the yoke cables to the outside of the limbs.
    I want to be able to yoke tune my bow and I would also like to change strings and cables without removing my cams.
    Simple…but effective.
    Make me that and I will place my order tomorrow!
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