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  • September 13, 2007 at 9:04 pm #495595 Back to Top REPORT
    vapor_33
    vapor_33

    Joined: 10/31/2005
    Ok so heres the situation…. You are on a 5 day guided hunt in Iowa. It is your last evening on stand with about 45 minutes left of shooting light and out from the corner of the field comes this guy. After 15 minutes the buck works his way towards you but seems to be hung up at 35yrds. He is slightly quartering towards you with just a gentle 5mph breeze right to left. The last detail for you to think about is you are 15ft up your tree.

    So, here’s the decision you have to make.

    Do you take the shot?

    – If yes, where do you aim.. (place a dot on you aiming point)
    – If no, explain your reasoning…

    September 13, 2007 at 9:12 pm #514437 Back to Top REPORT
    eagle48
    Eagle48

    Joined: 10/29/2004
    Taking into account that you are 15ft up the tree, this is where I would shoot.
    September 13, 2007 at 9:40 pm #514438 Back to Top REPORT
    bigeves34
    BigEves34

    Joined: 8/29/2005

    Taking into account that you are 15ft up the tree, this is where I would shoot.
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    Looks like a pretty good spot to me. He’d be dead. :thumbup

    September 13, 2007 at 9:42 pm #514439 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
    gjarcher

    Age: 71
    Joined: 10/3/2006
    Location: Colorado
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    It really boils down to the definition of ‘slightly’ and how confident you are at placing a shot at 35 yards. At best its risky.

    15′ up a tree at 35 yards is inconsequential. a 5 mph breeze at most is 3″ drift at 35 yds…not inconsequential but not a huge factor in the big scheme.

    The fact the buck is looking in your direction is a huge factor, and the possibility of him jumping the string is a near certainty. The vital area kill zone is substantially reduced by the quartering toward shot with the shoulder/scapula blocking the heart and much of the lungs. Failing light is a major problem. If you don’t make a clean kill, you have the outfitter/guide to worry about…the better ones don’t rebook clients that don’t wait for ethical shots within their skill level.

    PASS[/b:3aqafchp]. Wait the last 30 minutes of legal light and see if he doesn’t come in and present a better shot. Best case is if you wait you might be dragging deer out at dark. Worst case is you’ll be drinking two-fingers of Jack Daniels Single Barrel laughing with your guide instead of fumbling with a lantern in the dark looking for a blood trail while enduring your guide’s carefully worded remarks about what a dumb-@## stunt you pulled.
    Been there…and Passed. JMHO [=}=]

    PS – the photo you posted isn’t a quartering toward shot. Its an unalerted broadside shot, and I would take that one…in the crease :thumbup

    September 13, 2007 at 10:11 pm #514440 Back to Top REPORT
    vapor_33
    vapor_33

    Joined: 10/31/2005

    It really boils down to the definition of ‘slightly’ and how confident you are at placing a shot at 35 yards. At best its risky.

    15′ up a tree at 35 yards is inconsequential. a 5 mph breeze at most is 3″ drift at 35 yds…not inconsequential but not a huge factor in the big scheme.

    The fact the buck is looking in your direction is a huge factor, and the possibility of him jumping the string is a near certainty. The vital area kill zone is substantially reduced by the quartering toward shot with the shoulder/scapula blocking the heart and much of the lungs. Failing light is a major problem. If you don’t make a clean kill, you have the outfitter/guide to worry about…the better ones don’t rebook clients that don’t wait for ethical shots within their skill level.

    PASS[/b:1xiqwbh8]. Wait the last 30 minutes of legal light and see if he doesn’t come in and present a better shot. Best case is if you wait you might be dragging deer out at dark. Worst case is you’ll be drinking two-fingers of Jack Daniels Single Barrel laughing with your guide instead of fumbling with a lantern in the dark looking for a blood trail while enduring your guide’s carefully worded remarks about what a dumb-@## stunt you pulled.
    Been there…and Passed. JMHO [=}=]

    PS – the photo you posted isn’t a quartering toward shot. Its an unalerted broadside shot, and I would take that one…in the crease :thumbup[/quote:1xiqwbh8]

    I agree with you on most of your comments, I would pass this shot also. Maybe if it was 25 yards I would feel more confident about squeezing an arrow in there. [=}=]

    One thing though, can you explain why this is not a slightly quartering toward shot… I mean if you look at his legs the back one is definitley forward of the front one. :?:

    When I look at the red dot by eagle it looks to be a dead deer, but just imagine you miss 2″ left of that. You have maybe a single lung shot and you are looking at a long night of tracking. JMHO.

    September 13, 2007 at 10:28 pm #514441 Back to Top REPORT
    bsizzle
    bsizzle

    Joined: 8/11/2005

    i’d put him down if he was the best i’d seen so far into my hunt.

    September 13, 2007 at 11:05 pm #514442 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
    gjarcher

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    …I agree with you on most of your comments, I would pass this shot also. Maybe if it was 25 yards I would feel more confident about squeezing an arrow in there. [=}=]

    One thing though, can you explain why this is not a slightly quartering toward shot… [/color:3qa1x7vj]I mean if you look at his legs the back one is definitley forward of the front one. :?:
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    that’s what I meant by my first post…it would depend on your definition of ‘slightly’ quartering toward. From the Bowhunter ED course, I take quartering toward as depicted in the picture below. In that instance:

    Quartering-Toward
    The quartering-toward shot angle is when the animal is facing toward you, but at an angle. Since the animal is typically looking your way, it most likely will spot your movements.

    But as I said, I considered the slight angle still to be a broadside shot…and unalerted. I said I’d take that shot, but to keep things honest I went outside in 8 mph wind and shot this group at 40 yards (Weather info is included):

    September 13, 2007 at 11:33 pm #514443 Back to Top REPORT

    dbriner

    Joined: 7/27/2005
    Don’t get mad at me folks, but I think I’d pass on that deer. Especially if I was in Iowa! That’s probably only a 2 1/2-3 1/2 yr old deer. Everyone has different goals and for lots that might be a fine trophy.
    Dave [=}=]
    September 14, 2007 at 12:27 am #514444 Back to Top REPORT
    tonyparson
    tonyparson

    Joined: 4/17/2007

    Don’t get mad at me folks, but I think I’d pass on that deer. Especially if I was in Iowa! That’s probably only a 2 1/2-3 1/2 yr old deer. Everyone has different goals and for lots that might be a fine trophy.
    Dave [=}=][/quote:2ezhxuy1]
    but your on a guided hunt and this is your last change at a deer you would just go home with no deer for the money you just paid for the hunt

    September 14, 2007 at 12:53 am #514445 Back to Top REPORT



    Joined: 5/24/2004

    Taking into account that you are 15ft up the tree, this is where I would shoot.
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    Looks like a pretty good spot to me. He’d be dead. :thumbup[/quote:2t1qmul3]

    He is smoked right there..I take the shot

    September 14, 2007 at 1:39 am #514446 Back to Top REPORT
    arnej
    Arne

    Age: 54
    Joined: 5/16/2006
    I’d take the shot – but aim slightly lower to try to miss the scapula a bit more and hopefully take out the heart with the lungs.

    At 35 yds away and only 15 feet up it isn’t much different of an angle than from the ground, so aim the same. Wind drift won’t be much, and if a few inches there still is plenty of chest/lung to the left of the aim point.

    My :2cents

    September 14, 2007 at 1:50 am #514447 Back to Top REPORT
    vapor_33
    vapor_33

    Joined: 10/31/2005
    What do you think about this shot? Do you think it would hit shoulder?

    September 14, 2007 at 2:04 am #514448 Back to Top REPORT
    arnej
    Arne

    Age: 54
    Joined: 5/16/2006

    What do you think about this shot? Do you think it would hit shoulder?

    [/quote:3e2m3te3]

    That’s REALLY tight in to the bone! IF you know that you’ll have a couple inches of wind drift in those conditions – it is a perfect shot.
    BUT I’d rather aim a “little” back so that if I miss to the right I might graze bone, but not slam it.

    You might get off a perfect shot – just as the wind stops – and WHACK you nail the shoulder joint!

    Last year one of my hunting buddies hit a 9 pointer in almost the exact same spot (maybe just up on the shoulder blade a little bit) and had his arrow from a 70# bow at close range only penetrate a couple of inches. He never found the deer, and it likely survived – but with a mighty messed up shoulder. #-o

    Another :2cents

    Arne

    September 14, 2007 at 2:47 am #514449 Back to Top REPORT
    country-chic
    Country Chic

    Joined: 8/15/2007
    I would not shoot again it depends on the slightly quartering too, however I don’t shoot over 30 yards and since I live in the state you mentioned I know that there are better deer and just maybe depending on what part of the season your hunting you might get the chance by waiting or having the small buck bring in a monster. Two years ago I passed on a 170-180 class buck due to angle I didn’t want to be the @#%$&ss who made the bad shot so I let him grow. Nobody else got him either so maybe he will return this year and be much much better. Sometimes it boils down to enjoying the peace of the great outdoors and our freedom to be able to hunt that way. It doesn’t and shouldn’t come down to what you paid and go home empty handed. My brother and I went black bear hunting I got one he didn’t ya he got teased alot because lil sis got one and he didn’t but he said he enjoyed the hunt just the same because he was able to go. Also you can’t harvest mature deer in any state if you shoot the young ones!
    September 14, 2007 at 6:27 pm #514450 Back to Top REPORT

    willis5

    Joined: 7/15/2005

    What do you think about this shot? Do you think it would hit shoulder?

    [/quote:3opjo897]

    That is the stuff!!!kiss my arrow goodbye and hello when I pick it up red.

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