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  • October 24, 2013 at 12:55 am #601114 Back to Top REPORT
    fats
    Fats

    Joined: 6/27/2005
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    So… I woke up this morning around 5:30 am to hear on the Channel 7 news that one of my new students at my continuation school had been shot and killed by local sheriff’s deputies the previous day.  He was 13 years old and had been at my school for a couple of days.  He had been suspended from school for being off campus on Tuesday.  He was sent home… at 3:30 he was out in a neighborhood with a realistic replica of an AK-47.  A resident in the neighborhood called the police about a man with an assault rifle.  Deputies found him and directed him to put the weapon down.  When he didn’t comply, they shot him multiple times, when he went down, they handcuffed him first and then started to administer first aide.  He died where he fell….

    I’m angry that a 13 year old kid is dead… I’m angry that he didn’t comply…  I’m angry that two deputies felt they had to fire in this situation… I’m saddened they have to live with this… I’m angry that two deputies are now on Administrative leave as the department tries to figure out just what went wrong… I’m angry that the system didn’t work the way it was supposed to… and a family has to deal with their son not being at home tonight.

    It’s been a long day…

    October 24, 2013 at 6:43 am #601117 Back to Top REPORT
    indychris
    Indychris

    Joined: 6/22/2004

    So… I woke up this morning around 5:30 am to hear on the Channel 7 news that one of my new students at my continuation school had been shot and killed by local sheriff’s deputies the previous day. He was 13 years old and had been at my school for a couple of days. He had been suspended from school for being off campus on Tuesday. He was sent home… at 3:30 he was out in a neighborhood with a realistic replica of an AK-47. A resident in the neighborhood called the police about a man with an assault rifle. Deputies found him and directed him to put the weapon down. When he didn’t comply, they shot him multiple times, when he went down, they handcuffed him first and then started to administer first aide. He died where he fell…. 

    I’m angry that a 13 year old kid is dead… I’m angry that he didn’t comply… I’m angry that two deputies felt they had to fire in this situation… I’m saddened they have to live with this…I’m angry that two deputies are now on Administrative leave as the department tries to figure out just what went wrong… I’m angry that the system didn’t work the way it was supposed to… and a family has to deal with their son not being at home tonight.

    It’s been a long day…

    I can’t imagine being in your shoes right now, Alan. I heard and discussed the shooting yesterday with friends. Who would ever imagine that it would have been a student of someone here. The whole ordeal is terrible from start to finish. At many levels this never needed occur. There is much to be angry about, and even more to be saddened over. My prayers are with you, your school and the family and friends of those involved. {#emotions_dlg.mathews_praying}

    October 24, 2013 at 8:41 am #601125 Back to Top REPORT
    bow4um
    BOW4UM

    Joined: 2/28/2008
    Location: VA
    Sorry a kid had to die for foolish behavior. :(
    My Buck killing skills are sick – too bad there not contagious!!!
    October 24, 2013 at 9:01 am #601130 Back to Top REPORT
    rickym
    RickyM


    Joined: 8/4/2004
    thats a bad deal… sorry bud{#emotions_dlg.mathews_crying}
    October 24, 2013 at 9:09 am #601133 Back to Top REPORT
    blackdog
    BlackDog

    Age: 63
    Joined: 7/21/2004
    Alan I’m so sorry for the loss of this young boy. Very tragic for everyone involved. With everything that’s been going on the past week with 13/14 years olds (and others the past years) I’m sure  officers are twitchy. The fake rifle really did look like the real thing. I thought ‘fake’ firearms had to have some sort of orange cap on them?
    Nevertheless, a sad state of affairs. When all is done, the only thing left will still be one life lost, two very distressed officers, and distraught family and friends.

    My deepest sympathy to all.

    October 24, 2013 at 9:42 am #601142 Back to Top REPORT
    jeeper
    Jeeper

    Joined: 10/23/2009
    Location: Quantum Leapville
    Another needless tragedy. We’ve had a similar case in Ontario recently. My sympathies to you Alan and all of those involved. {#emotions_dlg.mathews_crying}
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    October 24, 2013 at 10:59 am #601152 Back to Top REPORT
    bow-drawn
    Bow Drawn

    Age: 63
    Joined: 11/14/2007
    Location: Ohio
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    Another needless tragedy. We’ve had a similar case in Ontario recently. My sympathies to you Alan and all of those involved. {#emotions_dlg.mathews_crying}

    Needless tragedy in so many ways. My sympathies to all involved in this.

    October 24, 2013 at 12:25 pm #601165 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
    gjarcher

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    I wonder how or who removed the orange tip on the replica gun? Also, there may have been a second replica gun involved, a replica handgun in the kid’s waistband. Here is a news account:
    http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/10/23/sheriffs-deputies-shoot-kill-teen-boy-with-replica-rifle-in-santa-rosa/

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    October 24, 2013 at 4:15 pm #601200 Back to Top REPORT
    fats
    Fats

    Joined: 6/27/2005
    Location: In the evening shadow of oona-pa'is
    The replica assault weapon had been dropped previously breaking off the end of the barrel. The owner if the replica reported that to a newspaper reporter. The handgun was a clear plastic toy…

    Kids today are angry… The community is angry and I fear it will get worse before it gets better.

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    October 24, 2013 at 7:44 pm #601245 Back to Top REPORT
    bow4life
    bow4life


    Joined: 8/17/2004
    It’s tragic and I’m sorry you were personally touched by it.
    October 24, 2013 at 9:11 pm #601270 Back to Top REPORT
    fats
    Fats

    Joined: 6/27/2005
    Location: In the evening shadow of oona-pa'is
    The hard part now will be to try to figure out what  good we can pull from this… My kids in class don’t think like that. They are looking to place blame… and it is very difficult to get them to even realize there might be a different perspective.  “Blame is for God and small children!”
    October 25, 2013 at 7:09 am #601299 Back to Top REPORT
    bow4um
    BOW4UM

    Joined: 2/28/2008
    Location: VA
    The entire thing stinks and I’m sad for you and this but what can you do. The gun in the news pics is not clear plastic and looks so real and he refused to drop it and reported to raise it up at cops… More details coming out but as a society we need to be aware of this kind of stuff. I know the situation with info on this kid is after the fact but come on caring this type of gun, another in his waste, refusing to drop it, possibly raising it, expulsion from school… what the heck is/was he doing??? This poor kid had made critical bad decisions and maybe needed better parenting – For me at this point it seems like the police did what had to be done but still more to be investigated… IMO this bad attitude show off kid playing games pressed the wrong buttons… Its ALWAYS someone elses fault. Now the world is going to yet again come down on law enforcement… Hate to sound insensitive and I do feel sad for all but come on people wake up!!! Guess more profiling? So now every kid with a gun running around town refusing to comply with orders from police… is to be ignored? Especially after the recent issues… For me I don’t want to shoot after I’m shot – just saying.

    I also understand he is 13. The world is definately changing.

    Just went to a presentation yesterday about active shooter and believe me it was a joke and I’m blown away at how many people need others to tell and direct them on what to do on common sense things.

    • This reply was modified 9 months, 4 weeks ago by bow4um BOW4UM.
    My Buck killing skills are sick – too bad there not contagious!!!
    October 26, 2013 at 2:01 am #601380 Back to Top REPORT
    rem270
    Rem270

    Age: 43
    Joined: 2/2/2005
    I seen this on the news the other day bud and thought of you. Very sad what happened if you need to talk just give me a call always there for you.
    October 26, 2013 at 7:41 am #601405 Back to Top REPORT
    statedriller
    statedriller

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    Man that really sucks Alan…

    May I ask why (not pointing at you but in general) the punishment for truancy is suspension?  I don’t get that.  If the kid skips school, then he is punished by not being allowed in school?  Doesn’t make sense to me…  Not that it has any bearing on the original post, just an aside…

    The end is near....
    October 26, 2013 at 8:53 am #601410 Back to Top REPORT
    bm2
    bm2

    Age: 35
    Joined: 8/19/2004
    it is a sad day when a child has to die. I feel great sorrow for the family. But those outside of law enforcement a lot of times don’t realize how quick a decision u have to make when its time to discharge your weapon.  Especially if you are having to fire on a child regardless of the reasons. Its hard enough on you mentally after U have to shoot an adult much less a child especially if u have children. Some l.e.o’s can’t handle the mental anguish that it causes and quit or worse end their own lives because the media and the Monday-morning quarterbacks make them feel as tho they had other options. Its a sad day all the way around. There are no replica guns to law enforcement anymore. Everything is a real gun. If it has the appearance of a gun it is one and is to be treated as such. And just an FYI for everyone that thinks the orange tip means its safe. Don’t be fooled. Last week we watched a video in training that showed some new recruits at a dept to pick out the weapons off a table that they felt where threats to them. There was an assortment of probably 15 guns. Everyone of them picked out the same 11-12 guns. Instructor walked over to the three guns that no one chose. And asked the question why didn’t anyone pick these. Everyone answered pretty much the same. Those are plastic kids toys or those are nurf guns. The guns where plastic, or clear plastic, brightly colored with orange “SAFETY TIPS”. The guy said well being y’all didn’t feel threatened by these then guess those targets shouldn’t either and picked up all three and put rounds down range. The recruits in the video had the ol deer in the headlights look. All three of the kids toys nurf type guns had been converted to fire live ammo and everyone that never thought someone would take the time to do that to a kids toy would look just like those guys did when “live” rounds were fired out of a “kids” toy.

    sorry for the long rant. But Leo’s catch a lot of slack because the general public is never aware or informed of the actual dangers we encounter and why we react the way we do to certain situations.

    Again im sorry for the lose of your student. i hope my post above helps some to understand why the Leo’s did what they did. What their training and experience told them they had to do if they wanted to go home to their families. The kid pushed them to the level that no officer ever wants to be pushed to. Trust me I hope I go the rest of my career and never have to discharge a weapon again other than for hunting Or target shooting.

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