Chill being re limbed/pocketed?

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  • December 10, 2012 at 2:20 am #543207 Back to Top REPORT
    statedriller
    statedriller

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    And this isn’t directed at you Jason… ;)[/quote:2lg1noy7]

    :^O :^O I know man and I did not even think that but appreciate you saying it. Agreed. I am still curious how many would have actually noticed the issue in the first place?[/color:2lg1noy7] Other than possible paper tuning issue left/right which I do not even do other than for nock height I am sure I would not have since it is a hunting bow and 1″ I accept as human error as I cannot shoot better than any bow I have owned. :thumbup[/quote:2lg1noy7]

    Very true… And I don’t do any of my bows justice either… #-o :p

    The end is near....
    December 10, 2012 at 2:25 am #543208 Back to Top REPORT
    il-archer
    IL Archer

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    Was at Scheels is Springfield today. I picked up a few Creeds off of their rack and all of them had the red inserts.
    December 10, 2012 at 2:34 am #543209 Back to Top REPORT
    smokepole
    smokepole

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    these are the pics of the creed limb swap i did tonite.note that the first pic is the original set, second pic shows old and new side by side,red inserts are the new. third pic is a close up of what to look for. according to paperwork that came with limb,pocket and bolt kit, this will be on all new bows from here on out.kudos to mathews for being on this quickly.

    Sorry guys, but kudos to Mathews for being on this? Really? A $1000 bow just released and it needs warranty work within weeks of release? I’m a Mathews fan, but not on this one. I expect better.[/quote:9us1l4dd]

    And I expect better from a first time poster….[/quote:9us1l4dd]

    Larry I understand where he is coming from partially given it is felt in our own pockets directly.[/color:9us1l4dd] The thing I believe that most forget is that millions in R/D does not guarantee perfection. I could give a 6million dollar project that has almost a billion or more worth of R/D between all of the technologies in it that was not smooth with many manufacturing issues but it would breach my companies NDA. I could give another that was 3.4Mil as well from a few years ago…

    So do I expect my little $1k item to be perfect?? Not a fat chance. :^O :^O :^O[/quote:9us1l4dd]

    I could understand if it cost something, but the fix doesn’t cost anything. So the only “feeling” here is the entitlement to having something perfect because it cost $1000. Which isn’t even the cost of the bow.

    I just get tired of listening to the griping. There was a problem and before it was hardly known, there was a fix. What’s the big deal? I mean if you are so disenchanted with Mathews over this, you don’t need a new bow company, you need a therapist…

    And this isn’t directed at you Jason… ;)[/quote:9us1l4dd]

    What I can’t believe is how anyone that has any sort of feedback that isn’t glowing is somehow complaining and gets torched as a first time poster.

    December 10, 2012 at 2:41 am #543210 Back to Top REPORT
    hoaf
    hoaf

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    these are the pics of the creed limb swap i did tonite.note that the first pic is the original set, second pic shows old and new side by side,red inserts are the new. third pic is a close up of what to look for. according to paperwork that came with limb,pocket and bolt kit, this will be on all new bows from here on out.kudos to mathews for being on this quickly.

    Sorry guys, but kudos to Mathews for being on this? Really? A $1000 bow just released and it needs warranty work within weeks of release? I’m a Mathews fan, but not on this one. I expect better.[/quote:1r9qqtj9]

    And I expect better from a first time poster….[/quote:1r9qqtj9]

    Larry I understand where he is coming from partially given it is felt in our own pockets directly.[/color:1r9qqtj9] The thing I believe that most forget is that millions in R/D does not guarantee perfection. I could give a 6million dollar project that has almost a billion or more worth of R/D between all of the technologies in it that was not smooth with many manufacturing issues but it would breach my companies NDA. I could give another that was 3.4Mil as well from a few years ago…

    So do I expect my little $1k item to be perfect?? Not a fat chance. :^O :^O :^O[/quote:1r9qqtj9]

    I could understand if it cost something, but the fix doesn’t cost anything. So the only “feeling” here is the entitlement to having something perfect because it cost $1000. Which isn’t even the cost of the bow.

    I just get tired of listening to the griping. There was a problem and before it was hardly known, there was a fix. What’s the big deal? I mean if you are so disenchanted with Mathews over this, you don’t need a new bow company, you need a therapist…

    And this isn’t directed at you Jason… ;)[/quote:1r9qqtj9]

    It’s a good thing business leaders have thicker skin than you apparently do. #-o Look, maybe my take isn’t popular, but it’s coming from the fact that I like Mathews and want to continue to see them do well. I don’t expect perfect. One of my Mathews bows had its share of minor annoyances, and I worked through them with my dealer. However, in the business that I’m in, and in most businesses in today’s market, an issue right at product launch like this one is a big deal. Don’t think folks will hear about it? Don’t think this could impact Creed sales? Maybe, maybe not. But for sure folks are gonna think “what else is wrong that I don’t know about?” The issue described here is one that seems it could and should have been caught through product testing. I’m sure at Mathews there are conversations going on about what happened, how it got missed and what to do differently next time. I’m sure the leaders have already been sitting around a table together saying to each other they expect better. Competition is fierce; you have to be able to stomach couragous conversations or you’re not gonna be around long. [=}=]

    December 10, 2012 at 9:05 am #543211 Back to Top REPORT
    bloodtrails
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    December 10, 2012 at 11:08 am #543212 Back to Top REPORT
    statedriller
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    It’s a good thing business leaders have thicker skin than you apparently do. #-o Look, maybe my take isn’t popular, but it’s coming from the fact that I like Mathews and want to continue to see them do well. I don’t expect perfect. One of my Mathews bows had its share of minor annoyances, and I worked through them with my dealer. However, in the business that I’m in, and in most businesses in today’s market, an issue right at product launch like this one is a big deal. Don’t think folks will hear about it? Don’t think this could impact Creed sales? Maybe, maybe not. But for sure folks are gonna think “what else is wrong that I don’t know about?” The issue described here is one that seems it could and should have been caught through product testing. I’m sure at Mathews there are conversations going on about what happened, how it got missed and what to do differently next time. I’m sure the leaders have already been sitting around a table together saying to each other they expect better. Competition is fierce; you have to be able to stomach couragous conversations or you’re not gonna be around long. [=}=][/quote:1vrrgc29]

    OK, here’s a possibility you failed to mention Mr. Business Man… Maybe they knew about this little problem before launch but already had a set release date. What then? I mean Mathews did recognize a problem, engineer a solution, mass produce thousands of repair parts, package them into kits and then ship them to their dealers in how long? Pretty impressive feat in itself… But if they knew of the problem ahead of release, they would have only a few options including… 1. Release the bow and quietly send update kits. 2. Do nothing for several months and then send a “fix”. 3. Announce there are flaws in the new bow design and postpone the release date. Which would be the least damaging?

    The end is near....
    December 10, 2012 at 11:58 am #543213 Back to Top REPORT
    99fatboy
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    not to mention that every bow since the reezen,there have been updates and issues after release.suppressor arms on reezen,rollerguard change and suppressor arms on z7,rollerguard length change on helium.all of these bows have broken sales records along the way too.i think mathews will be just fine!
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    December 10, 2012 at 12:52 pm #543214 Back to Top REPORT
    jeff-k-in-il
    Jeff K in IL

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    these are the pics of the creed limb swap i did tonite.note that the first pic is the original set, second pic shows old and new side by side,red inserts are the new. third pic is a close up of what to look for. according to paperwork that came with limb,pocket and bolt kit, this will be on all new bows from here on out.kudos to mathews for being on this quickly.

    Sorry guys, but kudos to Mathews for being on this? Really? A $1000 bow just released and it needs warranty work within weeks of release? I’m a Mathews fan, but not on this one. I expect better.[/quote:camsbs9q]

    And I expect better from a first time poster….[/quote:camsbs9q]

    Larry I understand where he is coming from partially given it is felt in our own pockets directly.[/color:camsbs9q] The thing I believe that most forget is that millions in R/D does not guarantee perfection. I could give a 6million dollar project that has almost a billion or more worth of R/D between all of the technologies in it that was not smooth with many manufacturing issues but it would breach my companies NDA. I could give another that was 3.4Mil as well from a few years ago…

    So do I expect my little $1k item to be perfect?? Not a fat chance. :^O :^O :^O[/quote:camsbs9q]

    I could understand if it cost something, but the fix doesn’t cost anything. So the only “feeling” here is the entitlement to having something perfect because it cost $1000. Which isn’t even the cost of the bow.

    I just get tired of listening to the griping. There was a problem and before it was hardly known, there was a fix. What’s the big deal? I mean if you are so disenchanted with Mathews over this, you don’t need a new bow company, you need a therapist…

    And this isn’t directed at you Jason… ;)[/quote:camsbs9q]

    It’s a good thing business leaders have thicker skin than you apparently do. #-o Look, maybe my take isn’t popular, but it’s coming from the fact that I like Mathews and want to continue to see them do well. I don’t expect perfect. One of my Mathews bows had its share of minor annoyances, and I worked through them with my dealer. However, in the business that I’m in, and in most businesses in today’s market, an issue right at product launch like this one is a big deal. Don’t think folks will hear about it? Don’t think this could impact Creed sales? Maybe, maybe not. But for sure folks are gonna think “what else is wrong that I don’t know about?” The issue described here is one that seems it could and should have been caught through product testing. I’m sure at Mathews there are conversations going on about what happened, how it got missed and what to do differently next time. I’m sure the leaders have already been sitting around a table together saying to each other they expect better. Competition is fierce; you have to be able to stomach couragous conversations or you’re not gonna be around long. [=}=][/quote:camsbs9q]

    I am sure your right, and I can see where you’re coming from. I really do not have a dog in this fight, as I don’t even shoot a Mathews. But I bolded a portion of your paragraph above; from the business side, I don’t expect it to damage sales much. Many people never even had a problem, and I bet the majority of consumers will never take their bows in. The only places you will hear about it, would be here and ArcheryTalk (where I know they threw a fit). Competition may be fierce, but Mathews sells bows solely on the name. A new archer walks into the store, and 8/10 times, I’d say he has heard Mathews makes the best, and he walks out of the store with a Mathews. Heck, Mathews even has its own dealer show, which started out as a small deal, and look at it now? Yet, people thought Mathews was committing suicide when it dropped the ATA show from its schedule?

    This fix is a speed bump. I have been to Mathews plenty of times, and know a few guys that work there; I know the people at Mathews take pride in their work, and I seriously doubt they like to do fixes like this. But, they brought out something to fix the issue, which is the correct thing to do. As an Engineer, I don’t believe that you should direct your opinions of stringency on a company; they’re clearly a different world.

    My calculus teacher in college always liked to pick on engineers; this was because most of the people that took those high-level mathematics courses were going for engineering. But, he always said they weren’t precise enough with their calculations. Makes you wonder… :^O :p

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