Can Vick redeem his image?

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  • September 1, 2007 at 12:19 am #514141 Back to Top REPORT
    thehammer
    TheHammer

    Joined: 12/6/2005

    its AMAZING how fast someone finds god when thry just LOST a 150 million dollar contract (to PLAY a game ) plus MILLIONS in indorsements (to simply WEAR cloths and shoes )and to possibly get thrown in the slammer for up to 5 years , it takes a super IDIOT to risk ALL of that and a lifstyle of EASE for somthing like illegal dogfighting and betting on it ,,comeon it s not like he needed the money

    its amazing how dumb some people can be[/quote:2reg4fkr]

    I’m not a psychologist however I bet that money was not his motive[/color:2reg4fkr]. Just as a professional poker player often does not “need” money or “need” to continue, it is something they enjoy doing and perhaps they “need” to do psychologically. They just love to do it. In the same essence Vick’s father said dog fighting is Vick. It is simply what he does. Just as much as deer hunting is to me dog fighting is for Vick. Not comparing the two (one is legal other is not) but I am sure if you could look into his mind and could hear his thoughts that is what it would be saying… not that he could win $25,000 if his dog one… but that he gets some thrill out of it. Sad but true.[/quote:2reg4fkr]

    Money is his only motive to change. Sponsorships drooped and Atlanta looking to get allot of his up front money back and with this new commish I bet they will get a good chunk.

    September 1, 2007 at 12:28 am #514142 Back to Top REPORT
    merve_01
    merve_01

    Age: 30
    Joined: 1/13/2007
    Location: Indiana

    its AMAZING how fast someone finds god when thry just LOST a 150 million dollar contract (to PLAY a game ) plus MILLIONS in indorsements (to simply WEAR cloths and shoes )and to possibly get thrown in the slammer for up to 5 years , it takes a super IDIOT to risk ALL of that and a lifstyle of EASE for somthing like illegal dogfighting and betting on it ,,comeon it s not like he needed the money

    its amazing how dumb some people can be[/quote:19rdyfl2]

    I’m not a psychologist however I bet that money was not his motive[/color:19rdyfl2]. Just as a professional poker player often does not “need” money or “need” to continue, it is something they enjoy doing and perhaps they “need” to do psychologically. They just love to do it. In the same essence Vick’s father said dog fighting is Vick. It is simply what he does. Just as much as deer hunting is to me dog fighting is for Vick. Not comparing the two (one is legal other is not) but I am sure if you could look into his mind and could hear his thoughts that is what it would be saying… not that he could win $25,000 if his dog one… but that he gets some thrill out of it. Sad but true.[/quote:19rdyfl2]

    Money is his only motive to change. Sponsorships drooped and Atlanta looking to get allot of his up front money back and with this new commish I bet they will get a good chunk.[/quote:19rdyfl2]

    Yes one of his motives to change is money. However as I stated I doubt that money was his high for dog fighting. Simply I heard the largest bet was potentially $25,000? What is $25,000 to a guy worth $150 million. It would be like me playing penny poker… not very fun if money was my motive. That is what I meant.

    As for those attacking mom I think you guys are overreacting. She said it was a horrible thing he did. She in no way condoned it just saying that dog fighting was important to him… its a fact or he wouldn’t have done it. And everyone deserves a second chance and everyone is capable of change and turning their life around.

    September 1, 2007 at 12:55 am #514143 Back to Top REPORT
    tropicalfruitmom
    Tropicalfruitmom

    Joined: 8/6/2004
    I think some of you need to really read what I write instead of skimming it and filling in the blanks. Don’t read between the lines because there isn’t anything there. I say what I mean and mean what I say.

    I never said I tolerated what he did any more than I tolerate any form of illegal activity. I just know that the only way to get someone like him to change is to understand why they do it and work from there. I’ve worked with low-income kids for many years. I’ve seen them get scholarships, graduate from college, and still end up in prison because the one thing they didn’t learn was how to leave the hood behind. They just take it to a new level be it dog-fighting, cock-fighting or drug dealing (3 things we see a lot of in the Detroit area).

    You can hate the sin, but still love the sinner. On the other hand, if he doesn’t learn and doesn’t truly change, I’ll be leading the parade to hand him his head on a platter because, by that point, he would have made a conscious decision NOT to change.

    September 1, 2007 at 3:30 pm #514144 Back to Top REPORT



    Joined: 5/24/2004

    I think some of you need to really read what I write instead of skimming it and filling in the blanks. Don’t read between the lines because there isn’t anything there. I say what I mean and mean what I say.

    I never said I tolerated what he did any more than I tolerate any form of illegal activity. I just know that the only way to get someone like him to change is to understand why they do it and work from there. I’ve worked with low-income kids for many years. I’ve seen them get scholarships, graduate from college, and still end up in prison because the one thing they didn’t learn was how to leave the hood behind. They just take it to a new level be it dog-fighting, cock-fighting or drug dealing (3 things we see a lot of in the Detroit area).

    You can hate the sin, but still love the sinner. On the other hand, if he doesn’t learn and doesn’t truly change, I’ll be leading the parade to hand him his head on a platter because, by that point, he would have made a conscious decision NOT to change.[/quote:3aaj5avt]I have read your post carefully and I hear what your saying but my piont is, why do we need to change or understand “people” like this?I just want him punished. I dont care about him nor does he care about me ( or you ) Waste your compassion on him if want to , theres others that deserve mine more [=}=]

    September 1, 2007 at 3:53 pm #514145 Back to Top REPORT
    fats
    Fats

    Joined: 6/27/2005
    Location: In the evening shadow of oona-pa'is

    I think some of you need to really read what I write instead of skimming it and filling in the blanks. Don’t read between the lines because there isn’t anything there. I say what I mean and mean what I say.

    I never said I tolerated what he did any more than I tolerate any form of illegal activity. I just know that the only way to get someone like him to change is to understand why they do it and work from there. I’ve worked with low-income kids for many years. I’ve seen them get scholarships, graduate from college, and still end up in prison because the one thing they didn’t learn was how to leave the hood behind. They just take it to a new level be it dog-fighting, cock-fighting or drug dealing (3 things we see a lot of in the Detroit area).

    You can hate the sin, but still love the sinner. On the other hand, if he doesn’t learn and doesn’t truly change, I’ll be leading the parade to hand him his head on a platter because, by that point, he would have made a conscious decision NOT to change.[/quote:2wboepsl]

    I have read your post carefully and I hear what your saying but my piont is, why do we need to change or understand “people” like this?I just want him punished. I dont care about him nor does he care about me ( or you ) Waste your compassion on him if want to , theres others that deserve mine more [=}=][/quote:2wboepsl]

    The diffence in your two viewpoints is simple. You believe that rehabilitation is not possilbe and you are intersted in punishment for wrong acts. Ava believes that people can grow and change but you need to understand them from their viewpoint if you are going to assist them. For her, rehabilitation is possilbe. You appear to place value on those around you while Ava appears to be more charitable to those that she does not know. Compasion for few or Compasion for all. WWJD?

    Both viewpoints are valid by the way. I happen to like Ava’s more, but that’s my opinion. Read my tag line!

    Oh yeah, in case you are wondering, I think Vic is a dirt bag and should get the book thrown at him. I don’t really care if he ever plays again. He was a tremendous athlete which means that… he’s a good football player. It does not equate to other things. All talents are not transitive. It is nice when good athletes can be good role models for others. It doesn’t always work that way. I very seldom assume it is the case without credible evidence that is more that “reading books to kids” one day a year because it is a clause in your contract.

    I hope he does learn from this and becomes a better human being. Odds are I’ll never have a chance to find out as I don’t run in the same circles he does.

    [=}=] 8D

    September 1, 2007 at 7:05 pm #514146 Back to Top REPORT
    walker39
    Walker39

    Joined: 11/12/2005
    Sick his own dogs on him, then if he survives, I will forgive him. :D To be honest, I don’t really care. Of course, you can look at how bad the public wanted to see Paris locked up . . . his image wont be salvageable except for a few Atlanta fans.
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