Can Vick redeem his image?

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  • August 29, 2007 at 11:59 am #514126 Back to Top REPORT
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    Keep in mind that this poll is asking about Vick in the future. Right now, the vast majority of us are royally POd at him (hey, he screwed up my fantasy team!), and rightly so. What he did was horrible! Unfortunately, it is pretty common among his peer group. We have a lot of problems with that in the Detroit area in the Black community as well as cock-fighting (chickens, for those who don’t know) in the Latino community.

    So, is is possible for someone like him (keep in mind, he’s only 27) to learn from their mistakes and redeem themselves? I certainly hope so![/quote:camqyiz2]

    There is no one that cannot change. There are those that will, and those that won’t .[/quote:camqyiz2]I have new Skippys on..I changed ;) ;)[/quote:camqyiz2]

    #-o :^O :^O

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    August 29, 2007 at 2:19 pm #514127 Back to Top REPORT
    gcdcpakmbs
    gcdcpakmbs

    Joined: 6/28/2004

    Keep in mind that this poll is asking about Vick in the future. Right now, the vast majority of us are royally POd at him (hey, he screwed up my fantasy team!), and rightly so. What he did was horrible! Unfortunately, it is pretty common among his peer group. We have a lot of problems with that in the Detroit area in the Black community as well as cock-fighting (chickens, for those who don’t know) in the Latino community.

    So, is is possible for someone like him (keep in mind, he’s only 27) to learn from their mistakes and redeem themselves? I certainly hope so![/quote:32edzec1]

    There is no one that cannot change. There are those that will, and those that won’t .[/quote:32edzec1]I have new Skippys on..I changed ;) ;)[/quote:32edzec1]

    And for that….the masses are grateful. Your dirty skivvies are…. well…the masses are grateful.

    August 29, 2007 at 4:51 pm #514128 Back to Top REPORT
    merve_01
    merve_01

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    I believe he can change, as everyone is capable of doing so. However can he redeem his image? I believe absolutely not and it has nothing to do with him. It has everything to do with the public and media. He has been labeled a dog killer and animal fighter and has plead guilty to it. OJ Simpson was found not guilty of killing 2 people, and although the 2 crimes are not one in the same, they share similar disgust. OJ was found not guilty yet some 15 years later jokes persists about his being guilty and getting away with it (I will not make judgment). Has OJ’s image ever been the same? No. There is nothing he can do to change that his name and image has been branded with an iron saying he is a murderer (right or wrong) just as Michael Vick has been branded as a dog killer and fighter (right or wrong). What I do find puzzling and sickening, and in no way should take away from what he is did (which was morally and ethically wrong as well as illegal) is the fact that our media and attention has been so focuses on this story. It should have been a 1 or 2 day piece at most but has encapulated us all for the past couple months. It enrages me that we spend more time about him then someone who actually kills another human being or spending time discussing more newworthy topics. That said he made a mistake (and perhaps many of them), he was wrong, he is going to be punished and pay his time to society. When released I believe we should forgive him as a family forgives their child’s murderer. We should not condemn him or judge him as a humanbeing. Leave that to God….
    August 29, 2007 at 8:09 pm #514129 Back to Top REPORT

    Q2XLMAN

    Joined: 7/11/2004
    its AMAZING how fast someone finds god when thry just LOST a 150 million dollar contract (to PLAY a game ) plus MILLIONS in indorsements (to simply WEAR cloths and shoes )and to possibly get thrown in the slammer for up to 5 years , it takes a super IDIOT to risk ALL of that and a lifstyle of EASE for somthing like illegal dogfighting and betting on it ,,comeon it s not like he needed the money

    its amazing how dumb some people can be

    August 29, 2007 at 9:00 pm #514130 Back to Top REPORT
    tropicalfruitmom
    Tropicalfruitmom

    Joined: 8/6/2004
    Well said, Merve! Time will tell.
    August 29, 2007 at 9:53 pm #514131 Back to Top REPORT
    merve_01
    merve_01

    Age: 30
    Joined: 1/13/2007
    Location: Indiana

    its AMAZING how fast someone finds god when thry just LOST a 150 million dollar contract (to PLAY a game ) plus MILLIONS in indorsements (to simply WEAR cloths and shoes )and to possibly get thrown in the slammer for up to 5 years , it takes a super IDIOT to risk ALL of that and a lifstyle of EASE for somthing like illegal dogfighting and betting on it ,,comeon it s not like he needed the money

    its amazing how dumb some people can be[/quote:p53qfuup]

    I’m not a psychologist however I bet that money was not his motive. Just as a professional poker player often does not “need” money or “need” to continue, it is something they enjoy doing and perhaps they “need” to do psychologically. They just love to do it. In the same essence Vick’s father said dog fighting is Vick. It is simply what he does. Just as much as deer hunting is to me dog fighting is for Vick. Not comparing the two (one is legal other is not) but I am sure if you could look into his mind and could hear his thoughts that is what it would be saying… not that he could win $25,000 if his dog one… but that he gets some thrill out of it. Sad but true.

    August 29, 2007 at 11:39 pm #514132 Back to Top REPORT
    tropicalfruitmom
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    Another good point. When you think about it, why do any of us participate in the sports we do? For the vast majority, we spend way more money than we could ever win. We do it for the thrill and the challenge.

    Dogfighting is what Vick knows. He knows its language and hidden rules. He’s also moved into a different class by virtue of his abilities on the football field. At least, he’s moved up financially. Emotionally and in the things he relates to, he has not. If you take away his millions, he’s just another kid from the hood, hangin’ with his homies and doing what he would normally be doing. He has to learn a new set of rules, and I hope he will.

    I’m not defending his actions, but I understand his motivation. I’m a blue-collar kid who went to college and is living in a white-collar world where I’m still learning the rules. The city we are thinking of moving to next year even has a garen club! Me? In a garden club? Good Lord, no! I’ll continue to hang with my pals here and at the club.

    That’s right! I can say I’m “going to the club” and they are liable to think it’s some swanky yacht club or something. Nah. We have WAY more fun – legally!

    August 30, 2007 at 2:48 pm #514133 Back to Top REPORT
    gcdcpakmbs
    gcdcpakmbs

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    The book needs to hit him. One must decide who they are, and make decisions based upon that. One doesn’t simply “become” who they are. The outcome is based upon decisions made. Vick made a conscious decision to be a criminal, and to torture. Why? In part because he made those decisions a long time ago, and in part because he has learned that his abilities allow him to get away with behavior that others cannot.

    Don’t blame his culture. He decided[/u:2ps77ywb] to be a part of that particular sub-culture. If the behavior is not stopped, it will not only continue, it will proliferate. Why this type of activity is tolerated in athletes escapes me. Your team winning is more important than your morals, ethics, and principles?

    You spend your money promoting criminals, I won’t. By the way, the worm is already beginning to turn. Monday night football hasn’t been profitable to the networks for years. Several cable networks have already made the decision to no longer compete for certain sports events. NFL and MLB won’t see any time on my TV until they seriously upgrade their league’s behavior.

    As far as “throwing the book” at him. Here’s why I think it is justified under ‘let the punishment fit the crime’. He makes millions upon millions of dollars. Why? Because of the amount of influence he has. His worth is based on how many people he influences. How many jerseys, hats, posters, and so on sell because of him. Quite simply then, his actions, and the actions taken against him have a much bigger effect than the actions of other people.

    I’m all for forgiveness. But forgiveness is earned. Grace is a gift, but forgiveness requires confession and repentence, and sometimes recompense. His apology was for hurting his fans? Hmmmm. I’ll reserve judgement on that. But future behavior will tell the tale.

    Sorry for the vent, but I feel a lot better.

    August 30, 2007 at 3:29 pm #514134 Back to Top REPORT
    tropicalfruitmom
    Tropicalfruitmom

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    I have an idea! Since he likes fighting so much, put him in the ring with one of those “tough man” fighters. Would it be OK to drag him if he loses?

    I said I understood, I didn’t say I liked it.

    August 30, 2007 at 9:53 pm #514135 Back to Top REPORT

    sogaboy

    Joined: 1/18/2007
    Where the I don’t care option?

    :thumbup :thumbup

    August 30, 2007 at 9:56 pm #514136 Back to Top REPORT
    wishbone
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    He will end up worse off than Pete Rose..
    August 31, 2007 at 2:27 am #514137 Back to Top REPORT
    lane
    Lane

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    No, he’s too much of a spoiled athlete to change :thumbup
    August 31, 2007 at 9:42 pm #514138 Back to Top REPORT



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    Dogfighting is what Vick knows. He knows its language and hidden rules. He’s also moved into a different class by virtue of his abilities on the football field. At least, he’s moved up financially. Emotionally and in the things he relates to, he has not. If you take away his millions, he’s just another kid from the hood, hangin’ with his homies and doing what he would normally be doing. He has to learn a new set of rules, and I hope he will.

    I’m not defending his actions, but I understand his motivation. [/quote:2j198z99]No disrespect to you madam but the guys an animal and an S-bag and IMVHO he deserves no sympathy or understanding from you or anyone else.

    Destroying innocent lives is what terrorist and child molesters know, should we “understand” their motivations?

    There are too many good souls out there doing the right things in life to waste our time and consideration on those who do not play by the rules of society.

    No, we must show no tolerance of people like Vick. I say let him slip into obscurity and give the next kid a shot.

    August 31, 2007 at 10:11 pm #514139 Back to Top REPORT

    Q2XLMAN

    Joined: 7/11/2004
    so since slinging crack is all a crackhead knows ,does that make it tolerable . would any of u feel sorry for them when they are caught or compare yourself to them ,

    dog fighting is illigal in case any one missed that ,hunting is LEGAL big difference

    August 31, 2007 at 11:29 pm #514140 Back to Top REPORT
    bow4life
    bow4life


    Joined: 8/17/2004
    Anyone can[/i:1pel4jfg] change…if they[/i:1pel4jfg] think they need to. Does Vick think he needs to? [=}=]
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