I wanted to type this up to share my experience with a recent hunting lease i participated in Ohio. The name of the “club” was buckslayers Ohio, which can be found on the web at buckslayers.com. It started around Christmas in 2011 that myself and my brother in law decided we wanted to hunt out of state, and being in West Virginia, Ohio was a natural choice. We came across buckslayers and decided to give it a go. Paid our part on a 758 acre Scioto county Ohio lease and got set for the season. The lease package came complete with information on the lease, including topo’s, property lines, and other relevant information. We took a trip out to the lease in august to scout…what we were surprised with, was a massive clear cut that had virtually no hunt able trees, and brush so thick, it would take a chain saw to make a dent in it. At this point, I wasn’t upset because this is the kind of thing you deal with when you go sight unseen on leases.
So with that being said, we took our ATV’s and proceeded to ride the property, locating the yellow club property markers all around the property. We found a part of the property that looked very appealing- it was within the markers, and had tons of oaks which would soon be dropping acorns. We even went so far as to call the lease coordinator, Wayne, and verify where we were on the property and to make sure we had the permission to be here, even though based on the map, we clearly did. (Our reason for doing this is that the whole property up until this point was a giant clear cut, with no huntable trees as previously stated- also, at the entrance to the woods, we found generic trespassing signs posted, but my brother and myself disregarded as we thought perhaps another lease member was being greedy and knew this area would have good deer- besides, the hunt club’s yellow no trespassing signs were located another 6-700 yards out past these generic signs). Naturally we were stoked to get out there and start hunting…so we ventured out at the beginning of November for our first hunt. Got their way before first light, unloaded the atv’s and made the 20 minute ride to the area on the property we wanted to hunt via the old logging roads that criss cross the property. Arrived within several hundred yards of where the oak grove was, unloaded and walked in. We split up, and found good trees to climb on a few hundred yards apart. We hunted all day, with some activity but no luck…got down and made the 45 minute walk back to the ATV’s to ride back to our camp area (keep in mind briar’s in ohio are like normal briars on steroids!!!…everywhere and knee high on me…I’m 6ft tall..lol).
Here is where things get a bit interesting…when we arrived back at our atv’s, we were greeted with flashlights, a game warden, and an angry landowner. The first thing to come out of the warden’s mouth… “Do you know you’re on private property?” At first, my brother and law and myself thought there must be a mistake…we had maps to clearly show we were well within our property limits. We pulled out the maps, showed them to the warden, and were then shown where the property lines actually were. The land, in fact all of the land buckslayers leases, belongs to the mead timber company, a big company in both southern Ohio and most of West Virginia. Come to find out, mead actually marks the property edges for their timbering purposes with paint and arrows which point to the next tree and so forth. We were never told this. Anyhow, the landowner proceeded to tell us that he had spoken with Wayne 2 weeks prior to that point in time, and had told Wayne that his “yellow hunt club markers” were incorrectly posted on property that wasn’t a part of the lease we had bought into, and that Wayne needed to move these. Now the problem I have here…Wayne never bothered to call ANYONE of the 18+ people on the lease, and tell us we weren’t on the property. Not only this, but regardless of the landowner calling Wayne and telling him this, he obviously knew he incorrectly posted the property lines…how can anyone be off 700 yards as far as the lines are concerned? I can see maybe 25-50 yards at the most, but were talking about 700…
So following this incident, we worked everything out with the warden, got off the hook as it was obvious we were misled (apparently the landowner had every intention of pressing legal charges, and I could understand why) but was gracious enough not to. I don’t know your name, but thank you for being so understanding if you’re reading this! Anyways, we provided Wayne’s information to the warden per his request, and upset at the whole situation, we proceeded to leave. We were upset at the fact we had put a lot of time and energy into that area of the lease just to find out it wasn’t on the lease at all and we didn’t have any more time to come back out to hunt, as the rest of my time off was used with my new daughter just born months prior. Anyways….upset and somewhat disgusted we were still optimistic. Upon returning home, I tried to contact Wayne to no avail several times. Finally sent him an email…no reply…waited over a week and nothing. One day I remembered that the number I had was his cell number, and I decided to text him- sent him a text and had a reply directly- he said he would text me in an hour as he was “on stand currently”.. I said that was fine and asked to just check his email when he got a chance and then get back to me…he automatically sent this… “ya, I got a call, just stay within the lease lines painted orange on trees 3 orange paint marks on trees means the line is changing direction” and “ Its all good. Glad he didn’t write you up a summons” (keep in mind this is about two weeks later- that’s how long it took to get a hold of him). At this point I am extremely disgusted…
Appalled…I thought to myself… “You’re aware we got in trouble, and you know the circumstances in which we got in trouble, yet you aren’t worried about getting a hold of me sooner to talk about the issue?” So after discussing it, it was clear Wayne wasn’t a bit worried that it had happened…in fact he seemed quite fine with it. So even more disgusted at this point, and under the circumstances provided, I asked for a refund only of the lease amount, for both myself and my brother. His reply was “sorry you strayed out of our lease boundaries. It could have happened to any one of us. Just pay attention to the orange paint lines on the trees in the future.” He then followed up with “You may switch to another lease but the cost will be 880 per member. Make your decision and get your 50% deposits in to by March 1st or I will fill your spots from my 2013 waiting list.” At that point I advised I may take legal action, and he stated “That’s fine. You shouldn’t be trespassing on private property!” After that, I stated I didn’t appreciate being lied to, to which he stated “Sorry you feel that way. I run a professional lease operation and provided you and all members a complete package with all the timber map and everything else you needed to have a great hunting opportunity at a very reasonable price, just barely over my cost. No one else on any of my 8 leases have complained. They all praise me for the great opportunity at a great price. Try something different next year because you won’t find anything for less money for world class bucks like we have here. You guys pushed the limits and you got caught, get over it and move on or don’t plan on renewing next year. One more negative comment and you both wont be welcome and will be banned from the club indefinitely.” I advised I didn’t intend to return to a subpar operation again, and his last follow up was “you guys are losers and do not belong in the hunting world! Our disrespectful to abutting land owners and should be ashamed of yourselves. That’s not sportsman, that’s just disrespectful. You both are band from mine and all future hunting clubs.”
At this point I was ok with not returning, but boy am I furious about the whole situation. I suppose that’s what you get for going sight unseen, and leasing from someone you’ve never met before. I am more so mad at the fact that I was completely misguided, nearly got in legal trouble for it, and then the person who caused all of this was not willing to take any responsibility what so ever, only blame me for my wrongdoings. My brother and I spoke about everything, and we agreed that we could have tried to get more information on the property, but honestly, we could have never verified the property lines through another means. The whole situation is just disgusting. Furthermore, 90% of the pictures of bucks from the website that Wayne has put up are not even pictures of deer killed on Wayne’s leases. You see, Wayne uses the lease money he makes off all his other members, and goes and buys a high end property with big bucks, and posts most of his trail cam picture’s and all his own kill pictures from these higher end properties. I don’t fault him there, as that’s just smart business, but the whole operation is shady. To further compound the issue, before buying into the lease Wayne told me the property was limited to 18 people…he loaded 18 people on the property…6 more than he said he would… I was already mad at that fact; however, not much can be done there.
Anyways…sorry for the long read, but I wanted to share my experience and hopefully deter anyone from leasing with this club. Ive been hunting for over 15 years and i have never been one to trespass. Some of the properties may be good, but if anything goes wrong, this guy won’t stand behind you.I have seen his posts in the classifieds over on AT.I would stray away from his leases. I intend to post this on as many hunting forums as possible.
Joined: 1/18/2006Wow. Anyone who treats their customers that way are pure scum. You and your brother deserve better. I Googled his outfit, and all of his websites are down. Definitely shady.
My brother and I have been talking about getting an Ohio lease for a few years, but haven’t jumped yet. Best of luck to you, and thanks for the heads up.
Hopefully Wayne will get his someday.
Joined: 9/9/2004I don’t know how much you paid for the lease, so it’s questionable whether or not it would pay to take legal action, or if a lawyer would be willing to take the case on a commission basis. It seems to me that you would have 2 great witnesses against this Wayne character, the adjoining landowner and the Game Warden.It's not how far you shoot, but how close you get.
I don’t know how much you paid for the lease, so it’s questionable whether or not it would pay to take legal action, or if a lawyer would be willing to take the case on a commission basis. It seems to me that you would have 2 great witnesses against this Wayne character, the adjoining landowner and the Game Warden.
I’m thinking maybe at this point bad publicity(not bad mouthing but the facts) would be more financially effective in the long run.
Location: Upstate NYI believe every word of what you delivered. The question that comes up in my mind is how much $ you were ripped off for, and how much $ will it cost you to recoup it. It could be a small claims court issue, but you’re still going to have expenses. Is it worth it?
As far as Wayne goes – unethical, dishonest, greedy, irresponsible, lower than whale crap loser. I hope he gets what he deserves.
Wayne, if I have been misled, please accept my apology.We pretty much came to that conclusion. We could “sue” for the lease cost, which I believe was 1800 between the two of us. I know with things like this there are three sides to every story. I typed everything exactly as it happened. I was just amazed that he wouldn’t accept any responsibility.
Location: MarylandAhhh, Wayne the Buckslayer, I thought I had put that guy in my rear view mirror. LOL
I too had an interesting experience with Wayne.
First off, I knew going in that it was all Paper Company land. I had hunted it before and knew how they marked it. He did the same thing on this lease, marked a bunch of property that wasn’t his. The other thing was I knew how much he pays for these leases, so I knew how much he was making per man.
I got out before the season ever started, the guy just gives off a bad vibe, like a used car salesman.
I did however have a few friends that stayed and hunted. One of them caught Wayne in a couple of half truths. I also know that there have been plenty of complaints about the guy.
If I were you I would consider making a complaint to the company he leases from.what is name of that county? or where is Buckslayer base at?-}}}--------------------> shooting Helim and now switchy is retire hangin on the wall!never mind Scioto co has alot crooks there !-}}}--------------------> shooting Helim and now switchy is retire hangin on the wall!Yea it was in scioto. I saw some of the biggest de in my life., but boy was it a craphole of an area. Nothing positive to say about Wayne..
Location: MarylandWell Wayne is from Maine. I think he leases properties all over Southern Ohio. Somebody will eventually catch up with him, maybe me…LOL
I still hunt the general area, lots of nice bucks.
A lot Buckslayer like clubs popping up too.I don’t doubt it. Only a matter of time before he catches up with soneone who takes matters into their own hands..Bump.
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