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  • February 21, 2007 at 11:47 pm #495418 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
    gjarcher

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    I just watched on Sportsman’s Channel a Bison hunt by Broadside Adventures. :shock: :shock:

    I can not believe they put it on the air :oops: :oops: :oops: [-X
    It obviously was a hunt on a ‘controlled’ herd…OK, I can live with that. In Colorado where I live, Bison come under the Dept or Agriculture as domestic cattle, not the DOW as wild game. I can live with that.

    But, the shot was so terrible. Did the shooter…I didn’t pay enough attention to remember his name, could be a big time name for all I know…not know Bison anatomy? Was it a lousy shot? It absolutely was in the worst place, except to gut shoot it.

    For a novice, what was filmed would look like a good shot but on a Bison the spine is deceiving low because of the bull’s hump, the heart is largely covered by the heavy shoulder bones, and the ONLY…ONLY…ethical shot is the LUNGS. Did I say, LUNGS? The arrow was put directly into the spine, :oops: penetration was probably 10″ at best. #-o The shock to the spine knocked the bull off its feet and the archer just looked on …. HEY, GUYS, BIG GAME IS DANGEROUS GAME, WE ARE TALKING COMBAT SHOOTING…RELOAD, RELOAD…don’t clear until the target a confirmed kill! The bull got back to its feet and ran off…no second shot #-o

    The bow used was a BowTech Guardian. The broadhead was a 100 grain Inter-Loc with a 1-1/16″ cut diameter ( #-o #-o [-X ). The Guardian is certainly better than what was shown, but if you didn’t know better that’s not the thought you’d come away with.

    If I were BowTech’s PR man, I’d buy up the rights to that film and make sure it never again saw the light of day. It certainly was no endorsement for the Guardian…seeing that Buff run off with 20″ of arrow sticking out of him.
    If I were the Inter-Loc broadhead PR man, I’d out bid Bowtech to keep it out of circulation.

    How this stuff makes it to general public viewing baffles me. I would think that product sponsors would take the position that if you can’t show a humane, quick kill, then you have nothing to show.

    …there, I feel better now. [=}=]

    February 21, 2007 at 11:56 pm #509976 Back to Top REPORT

    BaMaBoWHuNTeR

    Joined: 6/12/2006
    Did they recover the animal?

    -If they did, what’s the problem? We’ve all been bowhunting long enough to know that sometimes everyone screws up and makes a bad shot. And who knows…. that guy may have a set of ethics totally different than yours… There are no “ethics rules” set in stone….. [=}=]

    February 21, 2007 at 11:58 pm #509977 Back to Top REPORT
    blood-bath2006
    Blood Bath2006

    Joined: 10/14/2006
    All shots aren’t perfect. That is what I love about Primos. It is real world hunts with real world mistakes. People and equipment aren’t perfect. Did the show try to play off the shot as a “perfect” shot, but they just got bad penetration? If not then I have nothing against it [=}=]
    February 21, 2007 at 11:59 pm #509978 Back to Top REPORT
    jeff-k-in-il
    Jeff K in IL

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    Bad shots are a part of life, the best of us make them. It is up to the editor whether to include these shots or not. To me, showing bad shots on TV shows that they are certainly human, and no different. If it was a blatant bad shot and he was aiming at that spot, I might decide differently.. [=}=]
    February 22, 2007 at 12:17 am #509979 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
    gjarcher

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    Did they recover the animal?

    -If they did, what’s the problem? We’ve all been bowhunting long enough to know that sometimes everyone screws up and makes a bad shot. And who knows…. that guy may have a set of ethics totally different than yours… There are no “ethics rules” set in stone….. [=}=][/quote:v1d6fuqe]
    Yes, they showed ‘recovering’ the animal at last light that day. No indication that it died of the arrow wound, and wasn’t put down by one of the ranch guides. But it was recovered.

    No indication that he hit where he was aiming…no “YES” reaction, when the buff fell it was as if he didn’t expect it to get up…I’m sceaming RELOAD. No play off that it was a good shot.

    February 22, 2007 at 12:47 am #509980 Back to Top REPORT
    vol-cat
    Vol--Cat

    Joined: 1/9/2006
    why not just pay to go out and shoot some farmers cow.

    no trouble finding the bison, it probably didn’t have anywhere to go.

    February 22, 2007 at 1:38 am #509981 Back to Top REPORT

    BaMaBoWHuNTeR

    Joined: 6/12/2006

    Did they recover the animal?

    -If they did, what’s the problem? We’ve all been bowhunting long enough to know that sometimes everyone screws up and makes a bad shot. And who knows…. that guy may have a set of ethics totally different than yours… There are no “ethics rules” set in stone….. [=}=][/quote:26e27xr2]
    Yes, they showed ‘recovering’ the animal at last light that day. No indication that it died of the arrow wound, and wasn’t put down by one of the ranch guides. But it was recovered.

    No indication that he hit where he was aiming…no “YES” reaction, when the buff fell it was as if he didn’t expect it to get up…I’m sceaming RELOAD. No play off that it was a good shot.[/color:26e27xr2][/quote:26e27xr2]

    Yup. I hate when they do that. Watched Rick White hit a whitetail in front of the hind quater in Kansas and played it off like it was a Double Lung 8-|

    I can’t STAND him :thumbdown

    February 22, 2007 at 1:47 am #509982 Back to Top REPORT
    arnej
    Arne

    Age: 54
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    I can’t decide what to vote, so I’m not voting.

    It all “depends” on how the shot was handled by the shooter and if they admit to a mistake then try to do “good”…. I have no problem with showing a bad hit…. especially if it is used as a learning experience and the hunter seems to understand his responsibility to the animal.

    However, when people are “high 5-ing” all over the place and acting like it was a nice shot when it obviously wasn’t….. or, apparently like this buffalo “hunt” not showing a reasonable attempt to dispatch the animal quickly….. then I say NO.

    So….. it depends.

    February 22, 2007 at 1:57 am #509983 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
    gjarcher

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    ….. or, apparently like this buffalo “hunt” not showing a reasonable attempt to dispatch the animal quickly….. then I say NO.

    So….. it depends.[/quote:1icjb789]
    What bothered me was that for a ‘Professional’ production, the archer didn’t seemed prepared for Bison hunting. It wasn’t so much that he didn’t make a reasonable attempt, it was more like he was caught off guard…like he didn’t understand the the consequences of the shot placement, which was very visible because of 20″ of shaft sticking out.

    February 22, 2007 at 10:56 am #509984 Back to Top REPORT
    bowhunter-69
    Bowhunter-69

    Joined: 1/14/2006
    I’d rather see a pro flub up on occasion,
    than never.

    Chas

    February 22, 2007 at 2:32 pm #509985 Back to Top REPORT
    ux-monster
    ux monster

    Joined: 12/19/2006
    I dont think that showing hunts like presents a good image of bowhunting to the non-hunter or even the non-bowhunter who has no experience with bowhunting but i personaly like the reality bowhunting shows/videos that show how it really goes down,because like many of you mentioned before me the reality is mistakes happen we try to be but we are not always perfect. Things happen beyond our control that can lead to a less than perfect shot.We are dealing with very unpredictable wild animals here that can turn your world upside down and clean your clock so fast your just left standing there saying HOW DID THAT HAPPEN you pull your self together and do what ever it takes to turn a bad situation into a better one,thats the kind of TRUTH i like to see. :thumbup
    February 22, 2007 at 2:42 pm #509986 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
    gjarcher

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    OK, guys…thanks for the input. Certainly my thinking is fairly narrow on the subject, so after counting votes, I’ll re-think my position.

    One thing that was obvious from watching the show is that Bison are TOUGH. Later, a gal shoots a young bull with a Winchester .300 Mag from less than 100 yards and the bull takes the hit standing up, and then runs in a small circle acting like a bee had stung his butt. It took a second shot to put him down :shock: :shock:

    Mods can lock this one up if they want….no swing chads to count in this ballot box :D

    February 22, 2007 at 2:56 pm #509987 Back to Top REPORT



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    Bad shots are a part of life, the best of us make them. It is up to the editor whether to include these shots or not. To me, showing bad shots on TV shows that they are certainly human, and no different. If it was a blatant bad shot and he was aiming at that spot, I might decide differently.. [=}=]

    Agree but we don’t splatter bad shots all over the TV

    February 22, 2007 at 3:34 pm #509988 Back to Top REPORT



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    I dont care how much u pratice and how well you know your bow, bad shots are going to happen. Its part of bowhunting. I am not for hunting fenced in buffalo but if he did recover the buf I would say show it.
    February 22, 2007 at 4:20 pm #509989 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
    gjarcher

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    …Agree but we don’t splatter bad shots all over the TV

    You have a point there, when is the last time you watched a TV rifle hunt where the animal was gut shot, running off with its entrails being pulled from its belly? I’ve seen this happen on a hunt (not me, I don’t like to take running shots), but I bet you’ll never see it on American Rifleman, etc.
    Although, I did see a rifle Polar Bear hunt where a Hail Mary shot was taken hitting the bear in the butt, and it was filmed with the bear dragging his bloody rear through the snow bawling, until the hunter could get close enough to make a good shot…another show that should have never made it to public viewing, at least not without a lot of editing.

    I don’t understand why we are cautioned to not offend while transporting game home, when stuff like this makes it on TV?

    Well, I’m still rethinking my position…I do have to agree that bad things happen, and we try hard to avoid them, and ‘hiding’ them would be deceptive. On the other hand, it seems like we are ‘cutting our own throats’ to fuel anti-hunting sentiment.

    Heck, I don’t know what to think… #-o :-S :-S :-S :-S :-S ](*,) ](*,)

    Edit: Do you think it has something to do with all the money spent to make these productions rather than the ethics of it?

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