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  • April 22, 2013 at 12:03 am #574919 Back to Top REPORT

    RandyR

    Age: 60
    Joined: 2/21/2013
    Location: CO
    I am slightly far-sighted with a slight astigmatism.  I don’t need glasses for driving (and can even pass a flight physical without them) but when I shoot using my single-pin sight, I see a sort of diagonal blur instead of a sharp point.  When I tried to use a multi-pin sight, it was a dismal failure.

    I’ve been told to try a “Verifier” but according to the person I talked with at Colorado Department of Parks and Wildlife (formerly DoW), I was told you can’t use any kind of  “lens” or “optics” unless you are legally “vision impaired” – which would mean you are required to use corrective lenses when driving (at least).

    I haven’t seen an ophthalmologist – yet- just wondering if anyone has experience with this situation and what their resolution was?

    April 22, 2013 at 9:28 am #574945 Back to Top REPORT
    bow-drawn
    Bow Drawn

    Joined: 11/14/2007
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    If I’m understanding you correctly when you look through the peep at the pin it is distorted. Is the pin distorted when looking at it at arms length without the peep in play? To my thinking if it is distorted only when looking at it through the peep you need to see your eye doctor. If it is distorted all the time you might need your eyes checked for in close distances or so called reading lenses. JMHO
    April 22, 2013 at 11:46 am #574974 Back to Top REPORT
    blackdog
    BlackDog

    Age: 63
    Joined: 7/21/2004
    Quote; “I am slightly far-sighted with a slight astigmatism.  I don’t need glasses for driving (and can even pass a flight physical without them) but when I shoot using my single-pin sight, I see a sort of diagonal blur instead of a sharp point.
    I haven’t seen an ophthalmologist – yet-”

    Welcome to the club (50+) {#emotions_dlg.mathews_big_smile}

    You have a lot of good company! Your quote described me to a T other than my pin looked like a star burst.

    First;  you should see an ophthalmologist. Preferably one familiar with shooting sports.

    You could have the beginning of a cataract. Over time that will only get worse BUT; the only way to really find out what is going on is to get your eyes checked. Could be a lot of minor things (like just getting older). Common for vision to change.
    Astigmatism is most likely causing the problem you describe.

    I got past my problem for a few years by using a contact lens and also using a Speciality Peep and verifier.
    Last year my cataract got to the point where a lens would no longer help so I had surgery and can’t believe the difference. I’m back to a normal peep sight. I had my eye surgeon set me up so I can see clearly at arms length and for the most part – to infinity in my right eye. I need to use reading glasses for up close work but that was my choice.
    Surgery (as the guys on the forum said) was no big deal. I had no idea what the world really looks like until after the lens implant. I’m working on my surgeon to do my left eye. Tired of seeing amber colors in the left eye (cataract) but 6 months back he said I was still seeing 20/20 in that eye.

    I don’t know why the guy told you that you can’t use a verifier. That’s like saying you can’t use glasses or contacts and legally hunt with a bow. I’d get another opinion on that one.

    I found this on the Colorado web-sight (red is my editing):

    Under special permits:

    “Crossbow or draw-loc during archery season (These permits do not allow for the use of scopes, red dot sights, magnified optical aids, laser, battery or electronically powered aiming, sighting, or range finding devices.”

    A magnified optical aid in my mind would be a 2X or higher magnifying lens added to your sight to make the whole sight picture larger (as used by target archers).

    My guess is that the person who you talked to didn’t know what a ‘verifier’ is nor what it does.

    April 23, 2013 at 7:30 pm #575237 Back to Top REPORT

    RandyR

    Age: 60
    Joined: 2/21/2013
    Location: CO
    Interesting that the CO Law shows magnified optical aids.  That was not what I was quoted, but it’s encouraging.  I picked up a #5 “verifier” yesterday and shot with it, a HUGE change.  I’ve ordered a #4 in hopes of keeping the pin in focus but not distorting the target quite so much.

    Thanks for the advice.  I do have an appointment with the ophthalmologist, but he’s so hard to get an appointment with, it’s not until June…

    Again, Thanks!

    April 23, 2013 at 8:02 pm #575245 Back to Top REPORT
    bow4life
    bow4life


    Joined: 8/17/2004
    When I first put a verifier peep in I was amazed at how sharp my pins were. I don’t even know how many years it had been since I saw them as clearly.
    April 24, 2013 at 11:14 am #575342 Back to Top REPORT
    blackdog
    BlackDog

    Age: 63
    Joined: 7/21/2004

    Interesting that the CO Law showsmagnified optical aids. That was not what I was quoted, but it’s encouraging. I picked up a #5 “verifier” yesterday and shot with it, a HUGE change. I’ve ordered a #4 in hopes of keeping the pin in focus but not distorting the target quite so much.

    Thanks for the advice. I do have an appointment with theophthalmologist, but he’s so hard to get an appointment with, it’s not until June…

    Again, Thanks!

    Unfortunately everything is somewhat of a trade-off. The higher the # on the verifier, the less detail in distance vision through the peep.
    Sounds like you’re on the right track.

    Published guide:
    #4 Verifier 1.00 or weaker reading glasses
    #5 Verifier 1.25 reading glasses
    #6 Verifier 1.25-1.75 reading glasses
    #7 Verifier 1.75-2.00 reading glasses
    #8 Verifier 2.00-2.50 reading glasses
    #9 Verifier 2.50 or higher reading glasses

    As for your archery regs: the following is from Colorado’s web site concerning bow specs for large game.
    I don’t see anything that pertains to a verifier. A verifier is not a scope so I would think you’re legal to go with it.
    Would be a stretch to call it a scope imo.

    1. Handheld bows, including compound bows, using arrows equipped with a broadhead with an outside diameter or width of at least 7/8ths of an inch with no less than two steel cutting edges. Each cutting edge must be in the same plane throughout the length of the cutting surface.

    #204 – #205 – A.

    1. During the archery seasons for deer, elk, pronghorn, bear, sheep, goat, and moose, only lawful hand-held bows may be used by archery license holders.
    2. Bows must have a minimum draw weight of 35 pounds. The let-off percentage shall not exceed 80%.
    3. No portion of the bow’s riser (handle) or any track, trough, channel, arrow rest or other device, excluding the cable(s) and bowstring, that attaches to the bow’s riser can contact, support and/or guide the arrow from a point rearward of the bow’s brace height.
    4. Bows can propel only a single arrow at a time and no mechanism for automatically loading arrows is allowed.
    5. Equipment using scopes, electronic or battery-powered devices cannot be incorporated into or attached to the bow or arrow.
    6. Hydraulic or pneumatic technology cannot be used to derive or store energy to propel the arrow. Explosive arrows are prohibited.
    April 27, 2013 at 10:48 pm #575780 Back to Top REPORT

    RandyR

    Age: 60
    Joined: 2/21/2013
    Location: CO
    I took the Colorado Archery Hunter Safety Course today and had it confirmed that the “verifier” is compliant with Colorado law in as much as it is not a “magnifier that makes the target appear larger / closer”.  I’m a happy camper, I can see my pin and the target and am shooting better than ever.

    Thanks to everyone who chimed in for their help.

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