Advice on the differences of going to the dual cams

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  • December 17, 2013 at 12:34 am #611313 Back to Top REPORT
    chillr-killr
    ChillR KillR

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    I am gonna be parting ways with my Z7 Extreme after season and getting a Chill R.  I’d like to know what to expect as far as tuning goes.  I have seen gjarcher’s link to creep tuning and I’ve seen a few mention going with the limb actuated drop-aways versus the cable driven.  I have shot a QAD ever since I got my first Mathews in ’09.  I love that rest & I’m hesitant to part ways with QAD.  That said, I don’t want to make my transition any more difficult.  I’ve been looking at the Trophy Taker Smackdown Pro.  Am I better off with that rest with the dual cams?
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    December 17, 2013 at 10:21 am #611330 Back to Top REPORT
    archer2
    archer2

    Joined: 2/19/2008
    You literally read my mind with this post.

    I am in the exact same position as you. I have only shot single cams for the 20 years and am currently considering trading in my Z7 in on a ChillR.
    I use nothing but QAD and Ripcord rests and was hoping to stick with them on the new bow.

    I look forward to the feedback you receive on this topic.

    December 17, 2013 at 11:27 am #611334 Back to Top REPORT

    BOC

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    December 17, 2013 at 12:09 pm #611341 Back to Top REPORT
    gjarcher
    gjarcher

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    I had a QAD on the Monster and got it to tune extremely well. However, the QAD timing should be retarded as much as possible, only coming full up in the last 1/8″ of draw, or so rather than the recommended 1/2″. QAD recommends 1/2″ of final draw to allow for anchor creep, however the Monster/MR-series bows will not tolerate that much creep, and 1/8″ is sufficient … if you creep more than 1/8″ with the Chill R, and it doesn’t try to rip out of your hand, the cams aren’t timed correctly.

    After getting the QAD timing as retarded as possible, then Creep Tune. I found with the Monster I had to slightly advance the top cam to compensate for the QAD’s actuating cord’s pull on the bottom cam.

    Personally, I love the QAD, and use it on the solocam bows, but I really like the Trophy Taker Smackdown Pro FC over the QAD for several reasons:
    – It doesn’t affect the AVS cam timing. However, I still recommend Creep tuning.
    – The containment is superior to the QAD. The QAD would not reliably contain the super-skinny shafts, like the .239″ o.d. Victory VAP 300.
    – The rest is quieter and no mole skin is required except on the launcher. The side-loading containment bar is rubber coated, and the launcher is buffered by rubber buttons.
    – It has more fletch clearance.
    – It is easier to time.

    Some Cons with the TT Smackdown that isn’t an issue with the QAD are:
    – On let down there is no ready capture position. Pad the riser with mole skin.
    – The TT arrow holder may interfere with fixed-blade broadhead clearance for arrows shorter than DL. Three blade BHs are best oriented as in inverted-Y, otherwise if one blade is oriented down it may catch on the arrow holder, pulling the arrow off the string … not a good thing. {#emotions_dlg.mathews_brick_wall}

    I think that both the TT Smackdown and QAD would benefit from a micro-drive rest, similar to Spot Hogg rests. Care must be taken with both the TT and QAD to not overtighten the bolts. Making super small centershot adjustments is very difficult, almost hit and miss.

    Both QAD and Trophy Taker have excellent Customer service. I needed a replacement loading gate on one Smackdown, and some repair work on a second Smackdown, both my fault, and they were taken care of at no cost and rapid turnaround/response. I bent the dog pin on a QAD Ultra-rest (mistimed shooting a FOB), and QAD also had no cost rapid turnaround. You can’t go wrong with either company’s Warranty or CS.

    December 17, 2013 at 12:12 pm #611342 Back to Top REPORT
    bow-drawn
    Bow Drawn

    Age: 63
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    The dual cam system of the Mathews and Mission bows is not that complicated. If you don’t want to shoot a limb actuated rest then there are others like the Rip Cord SOS rest. It should not change the timing on a bow’s cam. I just put one on my Z7 Mag and I was impressed how easy it went on using a their provided football clamp on the upper moving cable. I just followed their instructions and it was on and tuned for broad heads in less than 25 arrows.
    December 17, 2013 at 5:14 pm #611382 Back to Top REPORT
    99fatboy
    99fatboy

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    the limbdriver pro v is another great choice on two cam bows.
    black z7 magnum,tommy hogg,qad,b-stingers, vaportrail: blue smoke triumph,sword,hamskae,b-stingers:desert tactical chill R, tommy hogg,limbdriver pro v,ktech
    December 17, 2013 at 9:04 pm #611415 Back to Top REPORT
    bow-drawn
    Bow Drawn

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    I just saw a new 2014 G5 limb driven arrow rest. It has some simple installation instruction. To me it looks a little like Vapor trails Pro V and I think if they did the pre-testing like they showed this might be one to look to put on the Chill R. http://www.g5outdoors.com/product_detail/2732 CMax G5 full containment arrow rest.
    December 18, 2013 at 7:14 am #611440 Back to Top REPORT
    chillr-killr
    ChillR KillR

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    That G5 CMAX has some features of the QAD & the Limbdriver.  Very intriguing.  If QAD would just make a limb driven rest, I’d have a much easier time making my decisions.  I appreciate all the info.  Thanks
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    December 18, 2013 at 3:30 pm #611540 Back to Top REPORT
    hotshot
    Hotshot

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    That G5 is a good looking rest Mark! I will have to check it out some more…

    I have been researching the limb driven rests for a few weeks….. Some of the guys on this thread have been part of my research into them. I have it down to two right now.  I have been advised to get a rest made of spring steel. The reason given is that spring steel has more flexibility and gives more during the shot cycle than a rigid metal or plastic launcher arm. With this in mind, among other things, the two I am most interested in right now are the Limb Driver…and the AAE Pro Drop. I cant see going wrong with either. I am leaning to the AAE Pro Drop down…”today”.
    Here is a cool slow motion of the AAE Pro Drop… It definitely shows that one of the potential problems of a drop away rest wont happen with the AAE Pro drop as the rest… it does not have “bounce back”…Also you can see how the spring steel gives during the shot…..Other than that, its just a cool video… {#emotions_dlg.mathews_thumbs_up}   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mX0igveBqM

    Hope this helps….let us know what you decide and how it goes…

    {#emotions_dlg.mathews_monster_blue}

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    December 18, 2013 at 3:53 pm #611551 Back to Top REPORT
    bow-drawn
    Bow Drawn

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    That G5 is agood looking rest Mark! I will have to check it out some more… 

    I have been researching the limb driven rests for a few weeks….. Some of the guys on this thread have been part of my research into them. I have it down to two right now. I have been advised to get arest made of spring steel.The reason given isthat spring steel has moreflexibility and gives more during the shot cycle than a rigid metal or plastic launcher arm.With this in mind, among other things, thetwo I am most interested in right now are the Limb Driver…and the AAE Pro Drop. I cant see going wrong with either. I am leaning to the AAE Pro Drop down…”today”.
    Here is a cool slow motion of the AAE Pro Drop… It definitely shows that one of the potential problems of a drop away rest wont happen with the AAE Pro drop as the rest… it does not have “bounce back”…Also you can seehow the spring steel gives during the shot…..Other than that, its just a cool video…{#emotions_dlg.mathews_thumbs_up} http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mX0igveBqM

    Hope this helps….let us know what you decide and how it goes…

    {#emotions_dlg.mathews_monster_blue}

    That’s a good slo-mo video. The VT Pro V you can’t pre-cock it like the AAE Pro. The VT Pro V will pick up the arrow every time off the shelf and put it in the center.

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